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FaceTracking: which views are movable ?

Postby mhab » Wed May 01, 2013 9:02 pm

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I am using FacetrackNOIR 1.7 since a view weeks with a lot of enthusiasm. My question now is:

Why is only the pilot's view reacting to the Face-tracking protocol ?
If there are other passenger views available, why don't they react to Face-Tracking ?
Is this a limitation in current FlightGear or can it be configured in some way ?

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Re: FaceTracking: which views are movable ?

Postby sim » Thu May 02, 2013 7:21 pm

since a view weeks

:D Nice Pun!
What does FacetrackNoir do that can't be done by good view scripts on a joystick?
I do lots of videos using Flightgear and view possibilities are already endless. Good fun too!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qe6RokD4-ro&list=HL1367523566

Although this chopper video does look great with natural head swing vision. Nice flying too!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA3zpTvX58s
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Re: FaceTracking: which views are movable ?

Postby Johan G » Thu May 02, 2013 10:15 pm

You may also be able to look around those pesky cockpit canopy frames that sometimes hides the one you are flying beside. :wink: *Dreams about new computer.*
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Re: FaceTracking: which views are movable ?

Postby mhab » Wed May 15, 2013 7:37 am

Well FaceTrackNOIR follows your head/face movement.
Never saw a joystick which could do that :wink:

Seems I need to post this question in some developer thread ...
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Re: FaceTracking: which views are movable ?

Postby AndersG » Wed May 15, 2013 5:18 pm

mhab wrote in Wed May 01, 2013 9:02 pm:Why is only the pilot's view reacting to the Face-tracking protocol ?
If there are other passenger views available, why don't they react to Face-Tracking ?
Is this a limitation in current FlightGear or can it be configured in some way ?


It is probably a limitation in the tracking receiver or actuator on the FG side. If the receiver (still) is a Nasal script it should not be hard to extend it.
As for why it only works in the cockpit view - presumably the author of the script felt that that was the way it should be.

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Re: FaceTracking: which views are movable ?

Postby Philosopher » Wed May 15, 2013 5:20 pm

Each view does have an "internal" flag that might be of some use...
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Re: FaceTracking: which views are movable ?

Postby StuartC » Thu May 16, 2013 11:01 am

Id love to get my Track IR setup working with Flightgear some day.
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Re: FaceTracking: which views are movable ?

Postby mhab » Thu May 16, 2013 1:12 pm

If you have a WEBcam give FacetrackNOIR a try.
It works very well for me with Flightgear and it's free.

See: http://facetracknoir.sourceforge.net/home/default.htm

I'm not sure, but FaceTrackNOIR maybe limited to Windows.
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Re: FaceTracking: which views are movable ?

Postby Groucho » Thu May 16, 2013 1:53 pm

sim wrote in Thu May 02, 2013 7:21 pm:
Although this chopper video does look great with natural head swing vision. Nice flying too!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA3zpTvX58s


Yes, would be nice if it were that easy. On the scale from 0..10 for realism I would give it a 0.1 :)

Frankly helicopter flying is one of the situations where head tracking makes sense. I need to be able to quickly switch the angle of view to regain situational awareness and which is not related to pressing buttons at the stick or keyboard as those will lead to small control input events affecting stability eg. in hover.
I would like to quickly glance at the speed and altimeter values and immediately return to the outside view before movements can occur. Thus I am slightly putting my head down and lift it up quickly if necessary. Or to operate instruments and radio in-flight.

I consider headtracking an extremely valuable aid here.
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Re: FaceTracking: which views are movable ?

Postby Johan G » Thu May 16, 2013 2:54 pm

Groucho wrote in Thu May 16, 2013 1:53 pm:
sim wrote in Thu May 02, 2013 7:21 pm:
Although this chopper video does look great with natural head swing vision. Nice flying too!


Yes, would be nice if it were that easy. On the scale from 0..10 for realism I would give it a 0.1 :)

At first I thought you meant the looking around was unrealistic, but before I even saw the video read the beginning of name on that browser tab, "ARMA 3...", and instantly understood: Game console realism(TM)! :roll: :wink: :lol:
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Re: FaceTracking: which views are movable ?

Postby sim » Thu May 16, 2013 10:36 pm

Well never tried FaceTrackNoir but it has potential if it smoothly pans view to where one's face (nose?) is pointing. Must feel odd at first to have to do the head movements while maintaining eyes fixed directly ahead. What's really needed is
a surround vision monitor! Then surround audio to complete the reality. Might be cheaper and better to get the true reality and get a pilot's licence! :lol:
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Re: FaceTracking: which views are movable ?

Postby Johan G » Fri May 17, 2013 2:20 pm

sim wrote in Thu May 16, 2013 10:36 pm:What's really needed is a surround vision monitor! Then surround audio to complete the reality. Might be cheaper and better to get the true reality and get a pilot's licence! :lol:

Or more modern (and cheaper) VR goggles, like for example Oculus rift. *drooling* 8)
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Re: FaceTracking: which views are movable ?

Postby sim » Fri May 31, 2013 10:22 pm

FaceTrackNoir? Maybe this'll do the trick!


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'Darth Vader never had a helmet like this,’ says Billy Flynn, a senior Lockheed Martin test pilot with combat experience flying Royal Canadian Air Force CF-18s in Serbia and Bosnia, showing me his Vision Systems International 'bone-dome’. Made of carbon-fibre, the Israeli-US-designed augmented-reality helmet is packed with hi-tech gadgetry, and displays all the data the pilot needs inside its visor.
'This is an essential part of the F-35. It’s what makes such a difference,’ Flynn says. 'It’s been laser-scanned to fit my head, bumps and all. Through it, I can see 360 degrees all around the airplane. It’s wild seeing the undulations of the Red River along the Texas border beneath your feet. It’s virtual reality! Strange? Different, sure, but there’s not a pilot who would trade it for anything else. It needs refining, but it’ll make pilot and airplane an integral, all-seeing weapon.’
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Re: FaceTracking: which views are movable ?

Postby Johan G » Sat Jun 01, 2013 6:47 am

Yes, but the Oculus Rift can simulate that for a hundredth of the budget. :wink: (Though not quite yet, the resolution in the development kit one can order now is a bit limited.)
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