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Re: Douglas DC-3 C47 - Dual Control

Postby El Flauta » Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:39 pm

Good advance! Keep doing the FGood work :)
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Re: Douglas DC-3 C47 - Dual Control

Postby ckruetze » Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:16 pm

Looks really nice.

F-JJTH wrote in Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:22 pm:



It has nothing to do with the aircraft, just the video. Could you re-release it with different audio? The video is not available in Germany due to license issues. Maybe use some license free music or don't use music at all.

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Re: Douglas DC-3 C47 - Dual Control

Postby Sealbhach » Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:26 pm

I would like to see video of someone doing a good takeoff and landing in this plane, just to see that is possible. I've never been able to do it. :(

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Re: Douglas DC-3 C47 - Dual Control

Postby F-JJTH » Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:39 pm

Hi,

@Christian: I have updated the video with new audio track. I hope this solve the problem.

@Sealbhach: I will do that ;)

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Re: Douglas DC-3 C47 - Dual Control

Postby F-JJTH » Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:15 am

For Sealbach :

This video contain : 1 start procedure + 2 takeoff + 2 landing



Have you tested tutorial for takeoff ?

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Re: Douglas DC-3 C47 - Dual Control

Postby gooneybird » Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:39 am

I can't do videos but here's a gif of a semi successful stormy crosswind landing, all good fun in a tail dragger :wink:

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Re: Douglas DC-3 C47 - Dual Control

Postby Sealbhach » Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:18 am

Ha ha, very good gif there gooney. it's mesmerizing. :D

Thanks Clem, I just use a mouse and auto-coordination, I suppose using a joystick and proper rudder control makes it easier.

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Re: Douglas DC-3 C47 - Dual Control

Postby gooneybird » Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:31 pm

For tail draggers you do really need a separate rudder control.
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Re: Douglas DC-3 C47 - Dual Control

Postby Johan G » Tue Jan 17, 2012 3:44 pm

I find it quite difficult even with pedals. With all the training for the Spitfire memorial flight I never got as much as one non-crash landing. :?

I have not done as much pattern training with touch-and-go:s as I have done in my favourite planes though, so it probably is jast bad technique on my side... :wink:
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Re: Douglas DC-3 C47 - Dual Control

Postby F-JJTH » Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:06 pm

I know that is not very easy :)
But I never fly with a real DC-3 thus I don't know if our FDM is close to reality. I think the reality is more easier...

If you know somethings about FDM I invite you to improve it ;)

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Re: Douglas DC-3 C47 - Dual Control

Postby johnman518 » Sat Mar 31, 2012 12:55 am

I downloaded this plane and love it!! only problem I have is when I launch the english tutorial 2 for start up it says to set the parking brake and when I do that it says to click the red button, but when I do that it goes right back to set the parking brake. I don't know why it's stuck like that cause when I do the french tutorial it goes straight through the tutorial like the english one should. I don't know if this is only happening to me or cause i'm on a mac or what, but if someone could help me I would be extremely grateful.
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Re: Douglas DC-3 C47 - Dual Control

Postby AlexisFR » Sat Mar 31, 2012 3:14 pm

hello johnman518,

Yes, I have made an error on the english version, sorry.

To correct the problem, edit the file : Aircraft/Douglas-Dc3/Tutorials/ENstartup.xml

Et replace all the text by this :
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<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>

<PropertyList>

<!--
     ************************************************************************
     Douglas DC-3 C47
     January 2012 modified by PAF team : http://http://equipe-flightgear.forumactif.com
     ************************************************************************
-->

  <name>EN-2-startup</name>
  <description>
Before you go flying, you'll need to learn how to start the engines.

  </description>


  <init>
    <set>
      <property>controls/gear/tailwheel-lock</property>
      <value>1</value>
    </set>
    <set>
      <property>controls/gear/brake-parking-pos</property>
      <value>0</value>
    </set>
    <set>
      <property>controls/flight/flaps</property>
      <value>0.0</value>
    </set>
    <set>
      <property>controls/engines/engine/magnetos</property>
      <value>0</value>
    </set>
    <set>
      <property>controls/engines/engine/throttle</property>
      <value>0.0</value>
    </set>
    <set>
      <property>controls/engines/engine[0]/mixture</property>
      <value>0.0</value>
    </set>
    <set>
      <property>controls/engines/engine[1]/mixture</property>
      <value>0.0</value>
    </set>
    <set>
      <property>controls/engines/engine[0]/propeller-pitch</property>
      <value>0.0</value>
    </set>
    <set>
      <property>controls/engines/engine[1]/propeller-pitch</property>
      <value>0.0</value>
    </set>
    <set>
      <property>engines/engine/running</property>
      <value>false</value>
    </set>
    <set>
      <property>environment/weather-scenario</property>
      <value>Fair weather</value>
    </set>
    <set>
      <property>controls/flight/elevator-trim</property>
      <value>0</value>
    </set>
    <set>
      <property>controls/flight/elevator-trim</property>
      <value>0</value>
    </set>
    <set>
      <property>controls/flight/aileron-trim</property>
      <value>0</value>
    </set>

    <set>
      <property>controls/flight/rudder-trim</property>
      <value>0</value>
    </set>

    <set>
      <property>instrumentation/doors/crew/position-norm</property>
      <value>0</value>
    </set>

    <set>
      <property>instrumentation/doors/cargo/position-norm</property>
      <value>0</value>
    </set>
  </init>


  <step>
    <message>welcome aboard the DC-3 ! We can now start the engines !</message>
  </step>
 
   <step>
    <message>First of all, put the parking brake </message> 
      <view>
      <heading-offset-deg>0</heading-offset-deg>
      <pitch-offset-deg>-12</pitch-offset-deg>
      <roll-offset-deg>0</roll-offset-deg>
      <x-offset-m>-0.05</x-offset-m>
      <y-offset-m>-0.4</y-offset-m>
      <z-offset-m>-8</z-offset-m>
      <field-of-view>53</field-of-view>
    </view>
    <error>
     <message>Click on the red button</message>
      <condition>
      <equals>
          <property>controls/gear/brake-parking</property>
          <value>0</value>
      </equals>
      </condition>
    </error>
    <exit>
      <condition>
      <equals>
          <property>controls/gear/brake-parking</property>
          <value>1</value>
        </equals>
      </condition>
    </exit> 
  </step>
 
<!-- Left tank -->
  <step>
    <message>select the main Left tank(Main LH)</message>
    <view>
      <heading-offset-deg>-10</heading-offset-deg>
      <pitch-offset-deg>-77</pitch-offset-deg>
      <roll-offset-deg>0</roll-offset-deg>
      <x-offset-m>-0.2</x-offset-m>
      <y-offset-m>0.3</y-offset-m>
      <z-offset-m>-8.18</z-offset-m>
      <field-of-view>45</field-of-view>
    </view>

   <error>
   <message>Turn the switch on the main LH position</message>
      <condition>
        <less-than>
          <property>controls/fuel/left-valve-pos</property>
          <value>3</value>
        </less-than>
      </condition>
    </error>
    <error>
     <message>Turn the switch on the main LH position</message>
      <condition>
        <greater-than>
          <property>controls/fuel/left-valve-pos</property>
          <value>3</value>
        </greater-than>
      </condition>
    </error>
    <exit>
      <condition>
      <equals>
          <property>controls/fuel/left-valve-pos</property>
          <value>3</value>
        </equals>
      </condition>
    </exit> 
  </step>
 
<!-- right tank-->
  <step>
    <message>select the main right tank(Main RH)</message>
    <view>
      <heading-offset-deg>0</heading-offset-deg>
      <pitch-offset-deg>-80</pitch-offset-deg>
      <roll-offset-deg>-5</roll-offset-deg>
      <x-offset-m>0.2</x-offset-m>
      <y-offset-m>0.5</y-offset-m>
      <z-offset-m>-8.175</z-offset-m>
      <field-of-view>43</field-of-view>
    </view>
   <error>
     <message>Turn the switch on the main RH position</message>
      <condition>
        <less-than>
          <property>controls/fuel/right-valve-pos</property>
          <value>2</value>
        </less-than>
      </condition>
    </error>
    <error>
     <message>Turn the switch on the main RH position</message>
      <condition>
        <greater-than>
          <property>controls/fuel/right-valve-pos</property>
          <value>2</value>
        </greater-than>
      </condition>
    </error>
    <exit>
      <condition>
      <equals>
          <property>controls/fuel/right-valve-pos</property>
          <value>2</value>
        </equals>
      </condition>
    </exit> 
  </step>

 
<!-- battery master-->
  <step>
    <message>Switch on the master battery</message>
    <view>
      <heading-offset-deg>54</heading-offset-deg>
      <pitch-offset-deg>20</pitch-offset-deg>
      <roll-offset-deg>5</roll-offset-deg>
      <x-offset-m>-0.30</x-offset-m>
      <y-offset-m>0.5</y-offset-m>
      <z-offset-m>-8</z-offset-m>
      <field-of-view>55.0</field-of-view>
    </view>
    <exit>
      <condition>
      <equals>
          <property>controls/electric/battery-switch-pos</property>
          <value>1</value>
        </equals>
      </condition>
    </exit> 
  </step>

<!-- boost pump-->
  <step>
    <message>Switch on the Right Booster pump</message>
    <view>
      <heading-offset-deg>-30</heading-offset-deg>
      <pitch-offset-deg>15</pitch-offset-deg>
      <roll-offset-deg>5</roll-offset-deg>
      <x-offset-m>0.1</x-offset-m>
      <y-offset-m>0.5</y-offset-m>
      <z-offset-m>-8.13</z-offset-m>
      <field-of-view>50</field-of-view>
    </view>
    <exit>
      <condition>
      <equals>
          <property>controls/fuel/tank[1]/boost-pump-pos</property>
          <value>1</value>
        </equals>
      </condition>
    </exit>
  </step>

 <!-- Mixture-->
  <step>
    <message>Mixture on Auto Rich</message>
    <view>
      <heading-offset-deg>0</heading-offset-deg>
      <pitch-offset-deg>-65</pitch-offset-deg>
      <roll-offset-deg>0</roll-offset-deg>
      <x-offset-m>0.15</x-offset-m>
      <y-offset-m>0.3</y-offset-m>
      <z-offset-m>-7.85</z-offset-m>
      <field-of-view>55.0</field-of-view>
    </view>
    <error>
      <message>Place the mouse on the red handle and move it with the clic or the wheel or</message>
      <message>increase the mixture</message>
      <condition>
        <less-than>
          <property>controls/engines/engine[1]/mixture</property>
          <value>0.55</value>
        </less-than>
      </condition>
    </error>
    <error>
      <message>It's too much</message>
      <condition>
        <greater-than>
          <property>controls/engines/engine[1]/mixture</property>
          <value>0.75</value>
        </greater-than>
      </condition>
    </error>
    <exit>
      <condition>
        <and>
          <greater-than>
            <property>controls/engines/engine[1]/mixture</property>
            <value>0.55</value>
          </greater-than>
          <less-than>
            <property>controls/engines/engine[1]/mixture</property>
            <value>0.75</value>
          </less-than>
        </and>
      </condition>
    </exit>
  </step>

<!-- Gaz -->
  <step>
    <message>Open the throttle slightly (10%)</message>
    <view>
      <heading-offset-deg>-10</heading-offset-deg>
      <pitch-offset-deg>-85</pitch-offset-deg>
      <roll-offset-deg>0</roll-offset-deg>
      <x-offset-m>0.05</x-offset-m>
      <y-offset-m>0.29</y-offset-m>
      <z-offset-m>-8.08</z-offset-m>
      <field-of-view>60.0</field-of-view>
    </view>
    <error>
      <message>Use your joystick throttle control, or PgUp to increase throttle to about 10%.</message>
      <condition>
        <less-than>
          <property>controls/engines/engine[0]/throttle</property>
          <value>0.02</value>
        </less-than>
      </condition>
    </error>
    <error>
      <message>That's a bit too much.</message>
      <condition>
        <greater-than>
          <property>controls/engines/engine[0]/throttle</property>
          <value>0.2</value>
        </greater-than>
      </condition>
    </error>
    <exit>
      <condition>
        <and>
          <greater-than>
            <property>controls/engines/engine[0]/throttle</property>
            <value>0.05</value>
          </greater-than>
          <less-than>
            <property>controls/engines/engine[0]/throttle</property>
            <value>0.15</value>
          </less-than>
        </and>
      </condition>
    </exit>
  </step>

<!-- RPM -->
  <step>
    <message>Propeller pitch between 70% and 100%</message>
    <view>
      <heading-offset-deg>-10</heading-offset-deg>
      <pitch-offset-deg>-85</pitch-offset-deg>
      <roll-offset-deg>0</roll-offset-deg>
      <x-offset-m>-0.1</x-offset-m>
      <y-offset-m>0.29</y-offset-m>
      <z-offset-m>-8.08</z-offset-m>
      <field-of-view>60.0</field-of-view>
    </view>

    <error>
      <message>Increase pitch</message>
      <condition>
        <less-than>
          <property>controls/engines/engine[0]/propeller-pitch</property>
          <value>0.7</value>
        </less-than>
      </condition>
    </error>
    <exit>
      <condition>
        <and>
          <greater-than>
            <property>controls/engines/engine[0]/propeller-pitch</property>
            <value>0.70</value>
          </greater-than>
          <less-than>
            <property>controls/engines/engine[0]/propeller-pitch</property>
            <value>1.1</value>
          </less-than>
        </and>
      </condition>
    </exit>
  </step>

 <!-- Magneto droit sur both-->
  <step>
    <message>We need to switch on the right magnetos, so the switch is set to BOTH</message>
    <view>
      <heading-offset-deg>0</heading-offset-deg>
      <pitch-offset-deg>0</pitch-offset-deg>
      <roll-offset-deg>0</roll-offset-deg>
      <x-offset-m>0</x-offset-m>
      <y-offset-m>0.55</y-offset-m>
      <z-offset-m>-8.1</z-offset-m>
      <field-of-view>55.0</field-of-view>
    </view>
    <exit>
      <condition>
      <equals>
          <property>controls/engines/engine[1]/magnetos-pos</property>
          <value>3</value>
        </equals>
      </condition>
    </exit>
  </step>

  <step>
    <message>Now, we'll check no-one is about to walk into our propeller</message>
    <view>
      <heading-offset-deg>-100</heading-offset-deg>
      <pitch-offset-deg>-30</pitch-offset-deg>
      <roll-offset-deg>0.0</roll-offset-deg>
      <x-offset-m>0.65</x-offset-m>
      <y-offset-m>0.48</y-offset-m>
      <z-offset-m>-7.95</z-offset-m>
      <field-of-view>65.0</field-of-view>
    </view>
  </step>

<!-- start droite-->
  <step>
    <message>We can start the engine, switch on the right starter</message>
    <view>
     <heading-offset-deg>-30</heading-offset-deg>
      <pitch-offset-deg>15</pitch-offset-deg>
      <roll-offset-deg>5</roll-offset-deg>
      <x-offset-m>0.1</x-offset-m>
      <y-offset-m>0.5</y-offset-m>
      <z-offset-m>-8.13</z-offset-m>
      <field-of-view>55</field-of-view>
    </view>
    <exit>
      <condition>
       <equals>
         <property>engines/engine[1]/running</property>
          <value>1</value>
       </equals>
      </condition>
    </exit>
  </step>

  <step>
    <message>The right engine is running !</message>
    <view>
      <heading-offset-deg>-100</heading-offset-deg>
      <pitch-offset-deg>-30</pitch-offset-deg>
      <roll-offset-deg>0.0</roll-offset-deg>
      <x-offset-m>0.65</x-offset-m>
      <y-offset-m>0.48</y-offset-m>
      <z-offset-m>-7.9</z-offset-m>
      <field-of-view>65.0</field-of-view>
    </view>
    <exit>
      <condition>
       <equals>
         <property>engines/engine[1]/running</property>
          <value>1</value>
       </equals>
      </condition>
    </exit>
  </step>


<!-- stop boost pump-->
  <step>
    <message>You can switch off the right booster pump</message>
    <view>
     <heading-offset-deg>-30</heading-offset-deg>
      <pitch-offset-deg>15</pitch-offset-deg>
      <roll-offset-deg>5</roll-offset-deg>
      <x-offset-m>0.1</x-offset-m>
      <y-offset-m>0.5</y-offset-m>
      <z-offset-m>-8.13</z-offset-m>
      <field-of-view>50</field-of-view>
    </view>
    <exit>
      <condition>
      <equals>
          <property>controls/fuel/tank[1]/boost-pump-pos</property>
          <value>0</value>
        </equals>
      </condition>
    </exit>
  </step>
 

<!-- Moteur Gauche -->

<!-- boost pump-->
  <step>
    <message>Switch on the left Booster pump</message>
    <view>
     <heading-offset-deg>-30</heading-offset-deg>
      <pitch-offset-deg>15</pitch-offset-deg>
      <roll-offset-deg>5</roll-offset-deg>
      <x-offset-m>0.1</x-offset-m>
      <y-offset-m>0.5</y-offset-m>
      <z-offset-m>-8.13</z-offset-m>
      <field-of-view>50</field-of-view>
    </view>
    <exit>
      <condition>
      <equals>
          <property>controls/fuel/tank[0]/boost-pump-pos</property>
          <value>1</value>
        </equals>
      </condition>
    </exit>
  </step>

 <!-- Magneto droit sur both-->
  <step>
    <message>switch on the left magnetos</message>
    <view>
      <heading-offset-deg>0</heading-offset-deg>
      <pitch-offset-deg>0</pitch-offset-deg>
      <roll-offset-deg>0</roll-offset-deg>
      <x-offset-m>0</x-offset-m>
      <y-offset-m>0.55</y-offset-m>
      <z-offset-m>-8.1</z-offset-m>
      <field-of-view>55.0</field-of-view>
    </view>
    <exit>
      <condition>
      <equals>
          <property>controls/engines/engine[0]/magnetos-pos</property>
          <value>3</value>
        </equals>
      </condition>
    </exit>
  </step>

  <!-- verif-->
  <step>
    <message>Check the propeller area</message>
    <view>
      <heading-offset-deg>95</heading-offset-deg>
      <pitch-offset-deg>-45</pitch-offset-deg>
      <roll-offset-deg>0.0</roll-offset-deg>
      <x-offset-m>-0.75</x-offset-m>
      <y-offset-m>0.4</y-offset-m>
      <z-offset-m>-7.9</z-offset-m>
      <field-of-view>67.0</field-of-view>
    </view>
  </step>
 
<!-- start gauche -->
  <step>
    <message>We can start the left engine, so switch on the starter</message>
    <view>
     <heading-offset-deg>-30</heading-offset-deg>
      <pitch-offset-deg>15</pitch-offset-deg>
      <roll-offset-deg>5</roll-offset-deg>
      <x-offset-m>0.1</x-offset-m>
      <y-offset-m>0.5</y-offset-m>
      <z-offset-m>-8.13</z-offset-m>
      <field-of-view>50</field-of-view>
    </view>
    <exit>
      <condition>
      <equals>
          <property>engines/engine[0]/running</property>
          <value>1</value>
        </equals>
      </condition>
    </exit>
  </step>

  <step>
    <message>The Left engine is running !</message>
    <view>
      <heading-offset-deg>95</heading-offset-deg>
      <pitch-offset-deg>-45</pitch-offset-deg>
      <roll-offset-deg>0.0</roll-offset-deg>
      <x-offset-m>-0.75</x-offset-m>
      <y-offset-m>0.4</y-offset-m>
      <z-offset-m>-7.9</z-offset-m>
      <field-of-view>67.0</field-of-view>
    </view>
    <exit>
      <condition>
       <equals>
         <property>engines/engine[0]/running</property>
          <value>1</value>
       </equals>
      </condition>
    </exit>
  </step>
 
 <!-- stop boost pump-->
  <step>
    <message>You can switch off the left booster pump</message>
    <view>
     <heading-offset-deg>-30</heading-offset-deg>
      <pitch-offset-deg>15</pitch-offset-deg>
      <roll-offset-deg>5</roll-offset-deg>
      <x-offset-m>0.1</x-offset-m>
      <y-offset-m>0.5</y-offset-m>
      <z-offset-m>-8.13</z-offset-m>
      <field-of-view>50</field-of-view>
    </view>
    <exit>
      <condition>
      <equals>
          <property>controls/fuel/tank[0]/boost-pump-pos</property>
          <value>0</value>
        </equals>
      </condition>
    </exit>
  </step>

  <end>
    <message>Great. We're now ready to taxi to the runway</message>
  </end>
</PropertyList>
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Re: Douglas DC-3 C47 - Dual Control

Postby johnman518 » Sun Apr 01, 2012 4:00 am

Hi thanks for fixing the tutorial, but I found another problem. I am using a keyboard on my mac and when I use the rudder controls to turn right is the 0 key and to turn left is the enter key. On the dc3 when I hit the enter key that activates the paratroopers and I can't turn left. How can I turn off the paratroopers control or change it to another key binding.
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Re: Douglas DC-3 C47 - Dual Control

Postby F-JJTH » Sun Apr 01, 2012 2:53 pm

Hi johnman518,

To turn off the paratroopers shorcuts you need to edit the file : Aircraft/Douglas-DC3/Nasal/dc-3-keyboard.xml
Look at the end of the file and delete from line 66 up to 74 or modify <key="XX"> as you want. (If you know a better shorcut, say it me ;) )

Cheers,
Clément
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Re: Douglas DC-3 C47 - Dual Control

Postby johnman518 » Sun Apr 01, 2012 5:28 pm

Thanks so much for fixing that now I can taxi, Quick question what dial or key do you hit to turn on the wipers. I looked in the cockpit and couldn't find anything that said something like wipers
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