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Re: Mumble Server

Postby daweed » Mon Jun 08, 2020 7:32 am

Hello Josh,

Don't know if the admin read the forum

I have reported this to him.
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Re: Mumble Server

Postby icare38 » Mon Jun 08, 2020 8:11 am

Hi,

This is a known problem, i will solve it ASAP.

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Re: Mumble Server

Postby LoCall » Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:24 pm

Hello all,

First, I am one of the "offended".

This was not "just another troll episode".

Injecting porn in channels where adolescents/teenagers are present can be a lot of things.
But what it was/is not is :
- "funny" ;
- "justified by whatsoever reason it is" ;
- an unwilling accident :
the injection happened ;
4 consecutive time for the pictures ;
10 more time for the sounds of sexual female moaning ;
simultaneously on 2 channels.
This is a qualified crime well defined in the law of many countries.

? What would happen to this "mumble" if any of the parent come in with an *official* criminal complain ?
? Do you think this is not going to stain on Flightgear public image ?

The question here is eve a bit more tricky.

I am going to come back for a clear statement
(I am going busy with the police officers that come to my place for some evidences delivery, sorry for the delay).

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Re: Mumble Server

Postby wkitty42 » Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:40 pm

Octal450 wrote in Mon Jun 08, 2020 5:55 am:Well we seem to again have this real idiot who comes in with his text to speed and disturbing sounds playing in ATC channels (and he is too much coward to use his real voice).

sounds like a possible bot such as is seen on twitch and discord servers...
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"Why not?" said Gurder.
"Dunno. It's frightened of heights, I guess."
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Re: Mumble Server

Postby LoCall » Mon Jun 08, 2020 5:31 pm

Statement about the Porn Injection of Saturday Night on 2020, June the 6.

1st
I really feel sorry for all the users, me include that have invested personal time that Saturday 2020 June the 26. and had that disappointing reception.

I thank each one of you to have chosen to invest trust in me and in my ATC Sessions.
I deeply care about interaction, respect and satisfactions are not to me just empty concepts, and I still struggle to find the words to express how much I feel bad about the happened.

Thank you especially to whom tried to make me feel OK, explaining I am not responsible for the wrong doings of others.

Anyhow, finding solutions is to me as important as oxygen is to breathe.

I am, of course, not responsible of the said wrong doings, but i am going to become responsible if I have a possible response to apply to that and I refuse and fail to do it.

This is not the first time we had this kind of abuses. We already had an "Hitler singing in the same mumble" and "Porn" ...already several times.

There is a lessons to take from there. The limit in between "overreacting" and "passivity" is not easy, not obvious.

But in this case we had "passivity" and this has been taken as an encouragement to reiterate.
And, reiteration, is what we had.

So, I wonder how much place it does left to waste time to complain and to have void fights, criticising each one other on this or that matter.


2nd
I tend to express myself without fear and surely with a bit too much volubility. But my thoughts are for the others who are going to "keep it" inside and will prefer to leave the FG community.

I do not know what exactly I can do for you except to say, "you are important to the community, please let us know about you! FG community is not that Trolls."


3rd
last but not least.
It has decide me to wake up an "old" project I was working on.
The goal was to bring "improvements" to a fork of mumble.
One of theses was about a better security for connections but avoiding the heavy hassle of traditional accounting.
Some tests demonstrated it was possible to simultaneously improve the tracing and the identification while the privacy was enhanced.
I am not now sure but, I wonder how much the same could be ported to FGCom after all.
I promise to come back on this matter and to open a wiki page to keep the community informed about the progression of that project.


I am going to continue my EGBB ATC session but, i am going to take provisory measures to help to protect them as well as the users wishing to participate.

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Re: Mumble Server

Postby LoCall » Mon Jun 08, 2020 5:50 pm

to wkitty42
sounds like a possible bot such as is seen on twitch and discord servers...


indeed i have seen bots able to do this and even advanced bot able to more.

I still haven't seen beet coming back on mumble and having a "human" conversation (despite ... with a bit of real AI and HEM (human emotional mimic) it should be possible).

The said user came back later Saturday night having an 50% apology wording.

I say 50% because despite the words was the one expected, he still did not had the proper repairing attitude.

In my conception of what is right and what is wrong, I totally exclude the blame or condemnation of anyone without giving him/her the right to express his/herself first.

Sorry i will post this text without having time to properly shorten/correct it ( job's calling ) and English still demand me further training...

Locall

This user explained to have been teased be someone else (this is not a valid excuse) and said he was really sorry.

But what disturb me is is continue to speak hiding behind a synthetic voice and varying pseudos.
He say this is because his parents ...
Of course I do not know! It can even be someone already know in the community and trying to play me or play someone else ...

At that point all affirmations are true.

For what does matter, this user have been already, 1st technically "muted" then kicked (Banned for good on IP basis) by the admin.

I had a conversation with the admin in order to relax the ban and allow to this young/not young/troll/people/machine to come back and have his saying.

I am still not satisfied at the moment where i write theses words and I can tell you for sure that without the proper attitude the ban will be applied back for a time still under conversation and depending very much of his/her attitude tonight.

If parents of teenager that was present in the channels come up with a complain this one is not going to be anonymous.

I expect this young to drop his "mask of anonymity" and face the consequence as he/she should.

The time clocking is tonight midnight.
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Re: Mumble Server

Postby Octal450 » Tue Jun 09, 2020 3:43 am

Hello icare38 and LoCall/Woosh
Thank you much for attempting to resolveing the that. If I can help in any ways, please let me know. I did try to get some recordings of his stupid behaviors.

Unfortunately these types of troll been around for years and the only thing we knew him as was "Rudolfo Orwell" and that he has some uncontrolled mental conditions (he told us this himselve, no idea if its true or not). Maybe same guy? He already gets around the ban because he change his IP + UID, thus there should be more people with permission to neglect people out of the discord.

Hi Wkitty:
He is not a bot, we tested this. He responded actually to the things. It is horrible.

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Re: Mumble Server

Postby LoCall » Tue Jun 09, 2020 11:29 am

Hello Octal450,

thank you very much for your kind offer.
In due time, I will definitely need help and will be please to get in touch with you.

As for now, everything in the project is to be re designed including sub-goals, steps, and thus, it is way too soon to be able to tell which tasks can or not be delegated ...
( but you may already search/find for me a new supplier of strong coffee and in house sunlight :mrgreen: )

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Re: Mumble Server

Postby LoCall » Tue Jun 09, 2020 12:08 pm

Now, about the user "Simone[...]",

Here are my 6 pence :

I am a helping guy, but i prefer to avoid to invest my help where it is not properly asked.
Where and when the help is properly asked, it could be rewarding to invest time, attention, resource, ...

In "Simone[...]" case, despite the word used could be read as an indirect ask for help, it is still impossible to help someone who stay undefined.

By undefined I do mean that at the current moment all the following hypothesis are valid :

- male
- female
- teenager < 16
- teenager
- adult
- basic tech savvy
- skilled hacker
- unknown to us
- know to us but acting under cover of an faked id
- self motivated
- induced by someone we know
- induced by someone we do not know

and surely a few more

Well, you see I am not sure to want to invest "investigating" time (lol). That would represent so much time and resource diverted that it would have the disrupting effect on the rest that I (we all) want so much to avoid.

To only things that we have in the hand are some "probabilities" :
- the writing is not very reflexive (1st person) and is more used by male
- the time to build and answers are more compatibles with a more then 10 years training
- when invited to use his own voice he used the arguments "my parents" in a way that suggest someone use to exercise the "parent power" more then someone that use to "feel the power parent"
- he is using some well known cleavages in the community, but I wonder ...,
· - - are these cleavages "visible" to a new user just arrived ?
· - - I have noted a synchro in between the 4 times were we have been trolled and the fact theses cleavages were at peak ... just coincidence ? 4 times ???

So, for sure, now we do not know the half of the start.

But, guess what, we do not need !

I do think the main job of these "happening" have been done. It has helped us to spot one of our weakness and now we just have to address it.

Having a secure mumble (or FGCom ) is going to take time.

In the meanwhile another "measures" are going to be set up and the most important, we are stopping the passivity and are reacting.

I do not know about you, but the Simone[...] chat subject just make me spent 1 more hour ...

I strongly wish to reduce this time to zero.

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Re: Mumble Server

Postby Octal450 » Tue Jun 09, 2020 1:55 pm

Hi LoCall
I agreed with that. Its not fun to have to take this time. I think honestly if he is just banned so fast many times, he will get sick of changing his IP.

What do you mean by cleavages? I don't understand what this word means in this context.

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Re: Mumble Server

Postby wkitty42 » Tue Jun 09, 2020 3:22 pm

i think "cleavages" means "splits" where the server network has netsplits like seen on IRC at times...
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"Why not?" said Gurder.
"Dunno. It's frightened of heights, I guess."
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Re: Mumble Server

Postby LoCall » Tue Jun 09, 2020 5:48 pm

to Octal450
I think you are right, he could become tired to change his IP and desist ... or restart later ... like it has happen 4 times.
Answering this question is a bit like answering the Schroedinger paradigme.

Stronger security will discourage him/her sooner and is the right move for us.
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Re: Mumble Server

Postby LoCall » Tue Jun 09, 2020 6:05 pm

to Wkitty42

yep
both technical and human "failures" are exploitable to/by someone coming from outside, and trying to gain a dirty advantage.
(dirty because it is not the result of the will of all)

e.g.
When one want to hack in a server, he is not going to find the whole server receiving him with arm wide open.
He have to find a part, even small, that do not resist to him.
The perfect server do not exist and still need to be invented.
In the meanwhile we try to expose the least possible the possible fails/failures/weakness.

We human follow the same constraint.
Come on, we are human, it is normal to have disunity and divergences.
I have an ex-wide to remind it to me, in the case I would forgot it ... :oops:
Of course we care and work on reducing and reversing them, at least we try.

So the remaining question about the "cleavages" (the lack of unity) is not if they exists (we are human), the question is :
- "how is it visible from outside ?" and
- "how can it tease the appetite of one ?" .

(and, no, I only have the concern and not the answer)
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Re: Mumble Server

Postby Octal450 » Wed Jun 10, 2020 3:56 am

I don't agree. He exists only to disturb and annoy. But what is truly pathetic and sad, is that someone decides to spend their entire day go into the mumble server of a FLIGHT SIMULATOR and all day long disturb people.

That type of peoples are a real idiot and I have no sympathy for him.

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Re: Mumble Server

Postby LoCall » Wed Jun 10, 2020 5:39 am

@Octal450

I am 100% happy to let you have, express and follow your opinion.

Let us simply agree we disagree on this particular aspect.

With all the respect to all, I will not come back on that matter except is something radically new and different happen.

The said measures are going to be taken and, to me it is what it does matter.

Thank you

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