Well - I guess this is not the right forum to discuss these issues - pls have a look on the just created
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=13009 .
Let me just give a short "my view", so these issues do not stay open for all times - and it may be of interest to others too:
Please do not forget: This was not a planned event - it just happened to be! And while we ATCs still tried to discus how to handle that - we were overtaken (at least me). Those tow mishaps (see Trennor and Icecode) just happened in a rather critical time-frame - i have no idea who looked on MPmap (or on the newly available MAP) at that time:
- there were 8 targets in the EDDF area, 4 on Final/Localizer, 2 in pattern, 2 approaching
-- 3 of those had big problems reacting in a normal time-frame and/or even holding altitude, heading and speed
-- 1 even accelerated on Final from 220 kn up to 350, overtaking others on final (1 reason for GoAround)
-- 2 were on GoAround
- MPchat was terrible overloaded, I am not sure if anybody did read all messages - I could NOT (sorry - but dear pilots: ATC has to read them all and has to respond to many - while pilots can concentrate just on a few dedicated ones!). I am sure I missed a few in that critical time-frame - especially: All were on MPchat!! - on FGCOM that would not have been a problem!
- special to
Icecode: Not sure if I actually overlooked (or maybe you did not see on screen) - anyhow: You did right Going Around! And for sure you got vectors from me for that. I have no idea why you suddenly decided to turn in to final - while still some others were on final - i guess to that time you were #4! By the way: To that same time also one other plane, also being on GoArround) decided to do the same strange thing - and even did not respond to my very nicely questions etc.. And you decided to start discussing instead of following advise to get you out of a crash-situation - well you know me since a long time! I hope we still are friends - sorry that you did not get the trophy to be first - better luck next time!
- special to
Trennorr: I am not sure, but if I remember correct you were the one who was lined up for rw 25R (in the middest of 2 other planes on final). Then you suddenly turned left going into direction of 25L, and while I was typing to warn you - you suddenly decided to turn back right - and then ended your flight just prior TouchDown on the "Center Taxiway" between those 2 runways. I am really sorry I had no time to film that !!
- One word to IFR/VFR: I try to be open for all visitors, independent of skills - as long as they can handle their plane and communicate with ATC. And for sure the skills are drastically different! So I see IFR/VFR in a very basic way:
- IFR I can direct to a VOR and get them from there onto ILS
- VFR I have to vector all the time and even advise on speed and altitude
Thats it -- I guess for anything else you need a closed event with minimum skills!
So: I liked it - but believe me: The last 1h was pure stress - that made me sleep well afterward.
I hope we all see us again soon
joe