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Convert X-Plane Airport to Flightgear Airport

Postby simone04 » Tue May 28, 2019 6:23 pm

Hello everyone!
I have a problem :(
As the title says, I am trying to figure out what's wrong
I have downloaded a detailed Airport from https://gateway.x-plane.com/scenery/page/LICA
Yes the airport is LICA and I am trying to convert to a readable file for flightgear.
I researched on the internet but i only found a way to convert *.obj files to *.ac files using Blender
The problem is that what I have downloaded isn't a *.obj file, but instead I have a *.dsf file(and an apt.dat file that I am not sure what it does)
I researched again and I found out that *.dsf files are SCENERY files NOT objets.
So I have 2 alternatives:
1- Try to open that scenery file and export every objet file that is inside of it (If I can)
2- Download another file in *.obj format (I didn't find nothing :( )
I am concentrated more on the first alternative... So any help is very appreciated
Thanks :)
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Re: Convert X-Plane Airport to Flightgear Airport

Postby wkitty42 » Tue May 28, 2019 8:22 pm

you build the scenery using that apt.dat file... it contains the info needed to build the scenery... check the wiki for how to build scenery...
"You get more air close to the ground," said Angalo. "I read that in a book. You get lots of air low down, and not much when you go up."
"Why not?" said Gurder.
"Dunno. It's frightened of heights, I guess."
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Re: Convert X-Plane Airport to Flightgear Airport

Postby legoboyvdlp » Tue May 28, 2019 9:22 pm

.dsf is basically equivalent to our .stg file as it loads polygons, exclusion zones, etc.
.dat contains runways / taxiways / aprons.

Only .dat is read by TerraGear.
The problem is, many authors use polygons for places they should not, like taxiways. Therefore you have to convert the polygons to apt.dat, so TerraGear can read it. This is now easy in WED 1.7 or greater.

You will have to load the entire scenery pack in WED, and then using the new "convert to" tool (under Edit in the menu - I think (just by memory!)) change the polygons to taxiways.
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Re: Convert X-Plane Airport to Flightgear Airport

Postby simone04 » Wed May 29, 2019 7:16 pm

Ok, I have found an easier way.
I found another website that have the same airport, quite old(2005 I think), but the airport is for FSX.
so I downloaded the file for fsx. I found many files in * .bgl format and other files with bmp extension.
I downloaded a program called ModelConverterX and managed to convert those bgl files directly into * .ac files.
Later I tried to open the bmp files, but the windows image viewer said that they were corrupt.
I have flightgear installed in the path:
E:\FlightGear 2018.3.2\
and therefore consequently I installed the entire airport in the following path (where usually the "ufo" checks airplane):
E:\FlightGear 2018.3.2\Data\Models\Airports\LICA
I created a new folder because the files were more than one and also there were the bmp files that were the texture
I started flightgear with the command line settings:
--console
which as I understand it enables a debug console to see what flightgear does in real time
I started everything and pressed the space bar to open the Models menu
later I noticed that the models that I had moved to the LICA folder were not in the list.
I got better information but as far as I could tell if I had to press "L" while i was flying with "UFO" and then I would get a popup where it asked me to find the * .ac file
I selected the file and it came out in the list.
When I selected the file from the list, however, when I clicked on the terrain nothing appeared, only a green string at the bottom left.
on the console it said it could not read the bmp files.
I thought that all the texture were corrupt but I had serious doubts, given that on the ModelConverterX program I had no problem with the texture.
I downloaded another program, XnView, which basically allows you to view images in any format, but it has lots of features, including the ability to convert images to another format.
Here's what I did:
I selected the batch convert option
I have selected all the images
I exported in png format
and since all * .ac files were readable in pure text format I opened notepad ++ and searched for and replaced all BMP words with the word PNG, so it replaced all formats.
Now I have opened FlightGear again, and I opened it with all the parameters I had done in the beginning.
I pressed the "L" key again (Does anyone know why the LICA folder is not automatically added to the Models list?)
and then I tried to insert the * .ac file in the ground but the same thing happened as in the beginning.
Now I don't know what to do anymore because the console doesn't give any error.
Does anyone know how to help me?
(P.S I have all the original files if needed)
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Re: Convert X-Plane Airport to Flightgear Airport

Postby simone04 » Thu May 30, 2019 3:08 pm

I think I should create another post with this other problem, since I will almost certainly concentrate on the fact that the UFO airplane cannot read these * .ac files properly ...
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Re: Convert X-Plane Airport to Flightgear Airport

Postby legoboyvdlp » Thu May 30, 2019 3:14 pm

Check the normals of the object - if they are inverted it will be invisible. You can do that in blender, not sure what other program to use. Also, check the object is not e.g. below ground. Is it at (0, 0, 0) in the .ac file?
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Re: Convert X-Plane Airport to Flightgear Airport

Postby simone04 » Thu May 30, 2019 3:21 pm

Can I send the whole file or the first 10 lines?
I cannot see (0, 0, 0) string in the .ac file
The only thing that i can see clearly is that there is
loc 0.00000 0.00000 0.00000
it is all setted to zero.
Is normal?
(Thanks for the replies I appreciate it)
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Re: Convert X-Plane Airport to Flightgear Airport

Postby simone04 » Thu May 30, 2019 3:24 pm

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Re: Convert X-Plane Airport to Flightgear Airport

Postby legoboyvdlp » Thu May 30, 2019 3:31 pm

It's not (0, 0, 0) in the .ac file - its (0, 0, 0) in the 3D program. Might be best to open it in blender and use the obj importer and ac exporter?


https://github.com/NikolaiVChr/Blender-AC3D
https://github.com/der-On/XPlane2Blender
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Re: Convert X-Plane Airport to Flightgear Airport

Postby simone04 » Thu May 30, 2019 3:46 pm

I think you misunderstand me.
I downloaded an FSX airport that I like because it's detailed.
Now these files are in .bgl format.
I don't think it's a good idea to keep trying to convert those X-Plane files, because with ModelConverterX I figured out how to convert it to plain .ac files.
Now I have just installed blender, just in case it can serve.
So now with blender do I open .ac files and modify the central point of the model?
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Re: Convert X-Plane Airport to Flightgear Airport

Postby legoboyvdlp » Thu May 30, 2019 4:15 pm

AH, ok.

In that case, you can use ModelConverterX to convert the .bgl files as you said. Import to blender, and ensure the model is at 0, 0, 0. Make sure the orientation etc is fine. If you do any changes, export the .ac from blender.
See:
http://wiki.flightgear.org/Howto:Conver ... ConverterX

if you haven't already.
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Re: Convert X-Plane Airport to Flightgear Airport

Postby simone04 » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:44 am

Hello everyone! : D
A little update:
I tried using Blender but it's a bit complicated .....
Then I found this program:
http://www.inivis.com/downloads.html
It can edit ac3d files. (I have a 14-day trial)
As mentioned by @legoboyvdlp, the whole structure was reversed.
With that program I was able to reverse this model.
So with UFO I have positioned the model and now it works! : D
Now I want to export all the data to an existing stg file. UFO should tell me a path to the stg file. The problem now is that nothing comes out on the path, that is, after the "#" key in the console the path to the stg file should be there, but is not there.
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Re: Convert X-Plane Airport to Flightgear Airport

Postby legoboyvdlp » Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:00 am

Try hitting the "d" key - the information about the # key may be outdated :s As far as I remember "d" will show information like that in the console?
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Re: Convert X-Plane Airport to Flightgear Airport

Postby simone04 » Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:21 am

Yes, hitting the "d" key the console shows up some text....
here:
http://wiki.flightgear.org/Placing_3D_O ... th_the_UFO
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the console shows the path after the "#" character
but in my console there isn't any path after the "#" character :roll:
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Re: Convert X-Plane Airport to Flightgear Airport

Postby legoboyvdlp » Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:23 am

That's odd :?

Could you copy the text that does come up when you press d?
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