Please Critique Shared Scenery Additions to KTKI

[David in TX]

I've added shared scenery to McKinney National Airport. This is the first airport I've added a lot of objects to. Before continuing with others in the area, I'd like some feedback on the choice and placement of the models.

A view of the airport is on OpenMaps. Select the Texas Orthophoto edit layer for the latest image. https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/33.1770/-96.5892

Before (view from the north looking toward 200):


After:


Add the following to the end of ~\Objects\w100n30\w097n33\1367753.stg

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#Shared objects as scenery for KTKI - McKinney Regional
#North Side Long Hangar Row
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/Hangar_70x15.ac -96.59261462 33.17819203 176.0 266.6
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/Hangar_70x15.ac -96.59336035 33.17823030 176.0 266.5
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/Hangar_70x15.ac -96.59259684 33.17860454 175.9 266.8
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/Hangar_70x15.ac -96.59334710 33.17863941 175.9 266.8
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/Hangar_70x15.ac -96.59258338 33.17901617 175.6 266.5
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/Hangar_70x15.ac -96.59332804 33.17905465 175.6 266.4
#Tower
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/tower_small_airfield.xml -96.59234421 33.17718912 175.0 346.0
#FBO and Large Hangars Near Tower
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/fboModern1.ac -96.59328570 33.17598347 176.0 87.4
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/big-hangar.ac -96.59256275 33.17773420 176.0 268.0 0.0 -0.0
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/big-hangar.ac -96.59341145 33.17776987 176.7 268.0 0.0 -0.0
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/big-hangar.ac -96.59436312 33.17900807 176.6 358.0 0.0 -0.0
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/big-hangar.ac -96.59437729 33.17837501 176.8 358.1 0.0 -0.0
#West Side Individual Hangar Row
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/Hangar_22x18m.ac -96.59589542 33.17993318 177.2 357.9 0.0 -0.0
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/Hangar_22x18m.ac -96.59590865 33.17968025 177.2 357.8 0.0 -0.0
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/Hangar_22x18m.ac -96.59588195 33.18020611 177.2 358.3 0.0 -0.0
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/Hangar_22x18m.ac -96.59586854 33.18046084 177.2 358.2 0.0 -0.0
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/Hangar_22x18m.ac -96.59593022 33.17922967 177.2 357.9 0.0 -0.0
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/Hangar_22x18m.ac -96.59594340 33.17893917 177.2 358.8 0.0 -0.0
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/Hangar_22x18m.ac -96.59595317 33.17864864 177.2 357.5 0.0 -0.0
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/Hangar_22x18m.ac -96.59597222 33.17836929 177.2 357.9 0.0 -0.0
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/Hangar_22x18m.ac -96.59640536 33.18047679 177.2 178.5 0.0 -0.0
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/Hangar_22x18m.ac -96.59641820 33.18021427 177.2 178.0 0.0 -0.0
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/Hangar_22x18m.ac -96.59643219 33.17995742 177.2 177.8 0.0 -0.0
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/Hangar_22x18m.ac -96.59643897 33.17968915 177.2 177.1 0.0 -0.0
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/Hangar_22x18m.ac -96.59644532 33.17944836 177.2 177.6 0.0 -0.0
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/Hangar_22x18m.ac -96.59645288 33.17919011 177.2 177.9 0.0 -0.0
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/Hangar_22x18m.ac -96.59646591 33.17893443 177.2 178.5 0.0 -0.0
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/Hangar_22x18m.ac -96.59648071 33.17866203 177.2 177.9 0.0 -0.0
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/Hangar_22x18m.ac -96.59649749 33.17839534 177.2 178.1 0.0 -0.0
#South Side Long Hangar Row
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/Hangar_70x15.ac -96.59276386 33.17496647 176.6 267.3
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/Hangar_70x15.ac -96.59351535 33.17499237 176.6 267.3
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/Hangar_70x15.ac -96.59279190 33.17440408 176.6 267.3
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/Hangar_70x15.ac -96.59354037 33.17443125 176.7 267.3
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/Hangar_70x15.ac -96.59320967 33.17387031 176.7 267.3
#South Side FBOs
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/fboModern1.ac -96.59343015 33.17264256 177.0 267.1 0.0 -0.0
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/fboModern1.ac -96.59516150 33.17316927 177.7 177.8 0.0 -0.0
#South Individual Hangar Row
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/Hangar_22x18m.ac -96.59280841 33.16929998 176.7 266.5 0.0 -0.0
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/Hangar_22x18m.ac -96.59310290 33.16931059 176.8 266.5 0.0 -0.0
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/Hangar_22x18m.ac -96.59340350 33.16932637 176.8 266.5 0.0 -0.0
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/Hangar_22x18m.ac -96.59372948 33.16934018 176.9 266.5 0.0 -0.0
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/Hangar_22x18m.ac -96.59404277 33.16935521 176.9 266.5 0.0 -0.0
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/Hangar_22x18m.ac -96.59435791 33.16937183 177.0 266.5 0.0 -0.0
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/Hangar_22x18m.ac -96.59466864 33.16938307 177.1 266.5 0.0 -0.0
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/Hangar_22x18m.ac -96.59497781 33.16939804 177.1 266.5 0.0 -0.0
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/Hangar_22x18m.ac -96.59529319 33.16941515 177.2 266.5 0.0 -0.0
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/Hangar_22x18m.ac -96.59559836 33.16943075 177.2 266.5 0.0 -0.0
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/Hangar_22x18m.ac -96.59276487 33.16977737 176.8 86.5 0.0 -0.0
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/Hangar_22x18m.ac -96.59305893 33.16979060 176.8 86.5 0.0 -0.0
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/Hangar_22x18m.ac -96.59337084 33.16980522 176.9 86.5 0.0 -0.0
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/Hangar_22x18m.ac -96.59368429 33.16982101 176.9 86.5 0.0 -0.0
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/Hangar_22x18m.ac -96.59400046 33.16983729 177.0 86.5 0.0 -0.0
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/Hangar_22x18m.ac -96.59432545 33.16985041 177.1 86.5 0.0 -0.0
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/Hangar_22x18m.ac -96.59462877 33.16986592 177.1 86.5 0.0 -0.0
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/Hangar_22x18m.ac -96.59494403 33.16987854 177.2 86.5 0.0 -0.0
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/Hangar_22x18m.ac -96.59525614 33.16989437 177.3 86.5 0.0 -0.0
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/Hangar_22x18m.ac -96.59557687 33.16991328 177.3 86.5 0.0 -0.0
#Some Aircraft
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Aircraft/Cessna172_yellow.xml -96.59245638 33.17784804 176.0 178.5 0.0 -0.0
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Aircraft/Cessna172_red.xml -96.59261389 33.17785157 176.0 178.2 0.0 -0.0
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Aircraft/Citation-II-Type2.xml -96.59198951 33.17680288 175.9335 88.4 0.0 -0.0
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Aircraft/citation_bravo_lowpoly.ac -96.59190852 33.17657782 176.0020 88.0 0.0 -0.0
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Aircraft/pa31blue1.ac -96.59219811 33.17636106 176.1415 358.2 0.0 -0.0
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Aircraft/r44-yellow.ac -96.59263261 33.17383581 176.7342 0.0 0.0 -0.0
#Fuel Tanks
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/FuelTank_7x3m.ac -96.59391528 33.17544087 177.0 0.0 0.0 -0.0
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/FuelTank_7x3m.ac -96.59391554 33.17540550 177.0 0.0 0.0 -0.0
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Boundaries/Fence_12m.ac -96.59392500 33.17547454 177.0 88.4 0.0 -0.0
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Boundaries/Fence_6m.ac -96.59392543 33.17541975 177.0 178.4 0.0 -0.0
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Boundaries/Fence_6m.ac -96.59392671 33.17536529 177.0 178.4 0.0 -0.0
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Boundaries/Fence_12m.ac -96.59379993 33.17536116 177.0 268.0 0.0 -0.0
#Off Airport Industrial
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Industrial/Industrial130x95.ac -96.59738890 33.17000393 178.0 88.0 0.0 -0.0
OBJECT_SHARED Models/Industrial/Industrial130x95.ac -96.59778143 33.16884146 178.0 88.0 0.0 -0.0


[Catalanoic]

Nice, you can submit your lines at the Scenery massive import webpage

[VicMar]

Very neat scenery building. Well done.

I await the massive import so I can validate your input.

Cheers,

Vic

[Catalanoic]

I don't think KTKI is double runway airport like your pictures, as seen in OpenStreetMap where is single. Maybe this is a layout error on FG.

[David in TX]

Yes, the layout is incorrect. I'm still struggling to understand how to fix it (1) locally on my machine; and (2) on the scenery server. Something, something TerraGear?

[Catalanoic]

Alternativey you can install TerraGit to see an updated layout until someone (you?) generate newer terrain.

[Thorsten]

Alternativey you can install TerraGit to see an updated layout until someone (you?) generate newer terrain.

Which may however become incompatible with future FG versions as it's a 3rd party repository.

[Catalanoic]

That smaller runway (right one in your picture) is supposed to be a taxy way, i checked it on X-plane gateway and seems there aren't major differences, so i think you can develop over existing layout without dramatic changes in the future if newer terrain is generated. A different case is if the layout is completly wrong or even not exists.
As Thorsten said, 3rd party repository may be incompatible with future FG versions (newer terrains) but if you need an airport to be developed before its your decision and it can be shipped as custom scenery on your own sources. In the future, if you want to develop an airport in FG, check before if the existing layout is finished or looks like real.

[David in TX]

The terrain generation problem is one I still can't get my head around. I understand that the terrain hasn't been refreshed from the XPlane gateway in a substantial period of time, but I don't understand why. What would it take to refresh the terrain at every release? There is ~3 months until the next one. Even if it takes six weeks to regenerate the terrain, the changes could be locked two months out and the processing started. This strikes me as something not that complicated, spin up some servers, run some scripts and wait. Maybe even a noob like me could do that.

[Thorsten]

What would it take to refresh the terrain at every release?

1-2 paid staff positions and a supercomputing farm.

[David in TX]

What would it take to refresh the terrain at every release?

1-2 paid staff positions and a supercomputing farm.

I'm new around here, but this strikes me as absurd. The terrain was generated at some point and even updated without "1-2 paid positions and a supercomputer farm." The actual terrain of Earth hasn't changed since then, only airport layouts.

[Thorsten]

I'm new around here, but this strikes me as absurd. The terrain was generated at some point and even updated without "1-2 paid positions and a supercomputer farm." The actual terrain of Earth hasn't changed since then, only airport layouts.

In this case, I suggest you download the tools, run a few scripts and do it yourself. We'll be happy to ship your seamless world scenery 3.0, and even happier if you manage to have a short release cycle.

(It would seem plain by now that you are new around here and have no real idea how the terrain was done - and no real idea of things like that while the actual terrain doesn't change, the knowledge of it in terms of freely usable geodata does a lot, or that you can't re-generate 'just' an airport without generating ugly seams in the elevation mesh all over the place,...).

[Catalanoic]

keep calm, if eveybody here's trying to get something or asking becomes that answer,.. well.. a lot can be done learning step by step and try it self. that means asking things like that, no matter what and which level of knowledge, but with recent PC hardware and free hours we can get a lot of things so, few people have a server farm on their garage with a team 8 hours/day for a free open source project.

[Thorsten]

I just tend to get tired of people who tell me what should be possible but leave the how to others. As I said - anyone who believes X is easy ought to go ahead and do it. In practically all cases I am aware, the people who have actually done it changed their opinion quickly.

[PINTO]

The folks behind TerraGit have completely regenerated the world scenery 2 or 3 times now in the last nine months (maybe more I haven't been following TOO closely). I also know that they're wanting another run to fix their random canyon bug when they get that fixed.