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How to add navaids/fixes?

Postby simbambim » Tue Sep 15, 2015 11:13 am

Is it possible to add a missing navaid or correct the location of a fix by ourselves and how?
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Re: How to add navaids/fixes?

Postby pommesschranke » Tue Sep 15, 2015 11:24 am

For yourself on your local PC ?
Have a look into the Navaids folder.
you can unzip, edit and zip the *dat.gz files.

For everybody:
I recently filed a bug about wrong/outdated navaids at OMDB here:

http://gateway.x-plane.com/bugs/view
http://gatewaybugs.x-plane.com/browse/XSG-968

similar to apt.dat this is the source for X-Plane and also for FlightGear.
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Re: How to add navaids/fixes?

Postby simbambim » Tue Sep 15, 2015 1:36 pm

I'd much rather prefer if it was available for everyone.
Are you saying the navdata are just as outdated as the airport layouts, like from 2013, and can only be corrected at X-plane?
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Re: How to add navaids/fixes?

Postby legoboyvdlp » Tue Sep 15, 2015 1:48 pm

You can do itnlocally, but since we share with XPlane, its probably better to make bug reports over there.
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Re: How to add navaids/fixes?

Postby simbambim » Tue Sep 15, 2015 1:59 pm

Look. There are dozens, maybe hundreds of fixes missing in e.g. Norway, do you mean filing a bug report for each of them? It doesn't make sense.
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Re: How to add navaids/fixes?

Postby psadro_gm » Tue Sep 15, 2015 5:56 pm

8.50 airport parser, textured roads and streams...
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Re: How to add navaids/fixes?

Postby simbambim » Wed Sep 16, 2015 10:51 am

That page might be a little outdated, isn't it? Is there somebody actually sending these data? Is there somebody adding them to the FG DB directly? Do we need to depend entirely on X-plane for this? I mean, these are simple text files, they don't require building for months like the scenery does. How often do we update from X-plane? I have a feeling the DB is terribly outdated.
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Re: How to add navaids/fixes?

Postby simbambim » Tue Sep 22, 2015 9:41 am

elgaton wrote in Mon Sep 21, 2015 1:51 pm:X-Plane's waypoint database is outdated (I have privately mailed the X-Plane Gateway moderators and asked them if they wanted to expand the Gateway in the future to accept waypoint/navaid updates - they have no plans to do so at this time, so any update must still be e-mailed to Robin Peel, and it takes a long time for them to be imported to FlightGear), while procedures might change every month and require an up-to-date waypoint database;


Do you happen to know when we last updated from X-plane and whether the X-plane DB has been significantly updated since? Can we take the updates from them at any time?
Can we update the FG DB directly or would that create problems with future updates from XP? Say, if I added 100 waypoints to my local file, could it be included in the next FG version?
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Re: How to add navaids/fixes?

Postby elgaton » Tue Sep 22, 2015 10:13 am

simbambim wrote in Tue Sep 22, 2015 9:41 am:Do you happen to know when we last updated from X-plane and whether the X-plane DB has been significantly updated since? Can we take the updates from them at any time?

The nav.dat currently in FGData is the October 2013 build (the latest one offered on data.x-plane.com). I haven't downloaded the X-Plane demo to check if a newer version is offered there, but I think we could take the updates from them (the files usually carry a GPLv2 header).

simbambim wrote in Tue Sep 22, 2015 9:41 am:Can we update the FG DB directly or would that create problems with future updates from XP? Say, if I added 100 waypoints to my local file, could it be included in the next FG version?

I think that would create problems with future X-Plane updates, so it would be better to send waypoint updates to Robin Peel via e-mail.
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Re: How to add navaids/fixes?

Postby simbambim » Tue Sep 22, 2015 11:08 am

Ok, I just checked in X-plane and it seems there hasn't been a single line added in earth_fix.dat since 2013. :? So this is totally neglected.
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Re: How to add navaids/fixes?

Postby pommesschranke » Tue Sep 22, 2015 12:52 pm

if you make a file with the 100 added navaids. please offer it somewhere to download.

I think there will be an update, but I dont know when.
see: http://gatewaybugs.x-plane.com/browse/XSG-968

Robin Peel added a comment - 5 days ago

I have revised all the ILS components for OMDB based on GoogleEarth. I also relocated the VOR DUB to the correct location. This package should look better when the new nav data is published.

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Re: How to add navaids/fixes?

Postby simbambim » Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:05 pm

Here are 500+ new fixes for fix.dat.gz (I can also upload the whole file somewhere). Included are complete SIDs/STARs for EPKK, LTBA, OEJN, OMDB, OMAA, LOWW, as well as en-route waypoints. I've already e-mailed this to X-plane.

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Re: How to add navaids/fixes?

Postby simbambim » Mon Oct 19, 2015 11:07 am

My fixes have been added to the X-plane DB.

I also got a reply from Robin that fixes/navaids should be submitted to the gateway. Gateway > Report a problem > A Navaid. There's an option to add an attachment. These requests will get forwarded to Robin.

I'm working on fixes for Norway now.
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Re: How to add navaids/fixes?

Postby elgaton » Mon Oct 19, 2015 11:42 am

Thanks for the update! I'll submit a couple of fixes as well.
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Re: How to add navaids/fixes?

Postby simbambim » Sun Oct 25, 2015 12:53 pm

So when will these be added to FG?
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