Tuxklok wrote:simbabeat wrote:Guys I'm not trying to start a fight ok??? Aren't you mad about people selling it though? Even though they can?
Why would I be mad? As long as they follow the terms of the gpl they are more than welcome to do so. Distributing work under a license that gives people the right to do something, and then pissing and moaning, calling them thieves, getting angry, etc, etc when they exercise that right makes no sense at all.
simbabeat wrote:Your not mad that people are buying FlightGear?
Do I agree with behavior seen from people like those dumb bunnies at flightprosim...no of course not.
Lets take something else here commenly released as GPL.. Linux.simbabeat wrote:Do I agree with behavior seen from people like those dumb bunnies at flightprosim...no of course not.
Ok Ok I thought you were saying you didn't even care one bit.
From what I understand, someone who grabs work from a GPL'ed product has to retain GPL. You can/could take someone to court, if they did not retain GPL. (Such as saying you may not modifiy/remove/view source etc) problem is, GPL leaves people to go pursue this them selves, with their own lawyers instead of GPL providing lawyers.MD-Terp wrote:The part that I think people get steamed about is that the *spirit* of the GPL -- at least, the way I understand it -- is that we all collaborate to make a great product, and if that product should also have some commercial application, then we don't want anything to stand in the way of it being used as such. I *don't* think the spirit of the GPL is that one group of people should be permitted to profit off of the hard work of another group of people, when that second group isn't seeing squat in return for their contribution.
Believe me, every time another FlightProSim or eBay ad pops up, and I wonder how many of "MY" scenery models are being incorporated into a product that SOMEONE ELSE is pocketing some cash on without doing a lick of the work involved, it makes me reconsider whether I ought to contribute any more. The GPL is flawed for allowing scumbags like FPS to operate, and even if they're not complying with the GPL, it's still flawed for not providing us adequate means to enforce it or otherwise stop them. Or, perhaps FlightGear as a community is flawed for not having the resources or knowledge needed to effectively combat it.
I understand that the *spirit* of the GPL is that when I create something and contribute it, I shouldn't think of it as "MY" contribution anymore. Fine. Why does someone else get to claim it as "THEIR" product, then, and sell it? Makes no sense.
anewb wrote:Another problem is, if for example, FG 2.1 came out with a Creative Conmen's license, while this could be done, you would be forgetting that 2.0 & all previous versions are legally bound to GPL (You can't just go switching licences as you please, least not for already-released ones). For example 2.0 remain GPL, 2.1.0 remain CC, 2.1.1 remain BSD etc.
For example, fair enough FPS has been created.. but the source code HAS to be open. Which means, you can quite happily go grab source code from there product and use it to improve FlightGear. And they can't say a dickybird.
There is also an advantage with these CD's being sold. It still technically spreads FlightGear's name, this could intern be some good advertisement. Advertisement = More users
True, or, like in Redhat's case, make a CentOS.Tuxklok wrote:For example, fair enough FPS has been created.. but the source code HAS to be open. Which means, you can quite happily go grab source code from there product and use it to improve FlightGear. And they can't say a dickybird.
Wouldn't it be fun to just buy a copy of FPS and then redistribute it freely for all...as the right to do so is explicitly granted to us by the gpl.
simbabeat wrote:There is also an advantage with these CD's being sold. It still technically spreads FlightGear's name, this could intern be some good advertisement. Advertisement = More users
Except for they are being sold under another name!
kylek14 wrote:sorry for the double post guys, but i was getting ready to report an eBay listing for using copyrighted images, but i figure'd i'd better check here first before i get myself into trouble.
The listing is using all, if not most, of the standard preview images in the program as well as on the site.
http://cgi.ebay.com/AVIATION-FLIGHTGEAR ... 414d40020b
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