There is no fact based tool what could help make definite proof easily and You know it. So I may say "Previously we had great innovations as moving from plib to osg, now we can not get our shadows and light sources still" or something as that, You may bring some other subjective point, it's going to nowhere. I already had bring some proofs, for me that's enough. Now it's up to You to get it or not.
kyokoyama wrote in Fri Jul 29, 2011 3:04 pm:My apologies for butting in, Vitos, but ...this would be true in something like politics; however, this is an open-source community.
Well... Please look on that topic for example
http://www.flightgear.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9647 . It's not so common story in craft development because "one man per craft" is normal situation in it, but much more common story in core development as I had heard. You simply do not aware of it.
kyokoyama wrote in Fri Jul 29, 2011 3:04 pm:It's a problem of choice, not some personal desire or hidden agenda... It can't be helped.
May be You are right in it but I suppose it's other way. People easily do something because of egocentric reasons but explain it as driven by higher matters. I am believe what project without documentation and clear inner structure had made without thinking of someone else who could improve it further simply. But when there is no developer who could want to help You to learn it then I am sure what no one wants You in, and it's no matter of Your choice no way.
kyokoyama wrote in Fri Jul 29, 2011 3:04 pm:So you're just putting value and importance of a project on new, major innovations, and ignoring other development?
I do not ignoring over development. I hope You had misinterpreted my words unintentionally. I had said what that over development without real innovations, first of all without relations clearing and progress, leads to overbloating, then stagnation and then collapse. I am sure about it, I know what it's true by a lot of different stories. Please do not think what FG is first on that path.
kyokoyama wrote in Fri Jul 29, 2011 3:04 pm:You can't make it insignificant just because it's not some whole new, revolutionary way to cheat the JSBsim or YAsim system to create an FDM that's half the filesize of current FDMs. Am I wrong?
I suppose yes. At first, I do not make significance, I only tell if something significant really or not. Secondly, there is no way to make great FDM by cheating some FDM system. You can make better system what will need less data to provide better results but can not get by cheat results better than results without cheating. If You'll look on FDM files size then You'll see what size of MiG and Vostok FDM files is some of greatest if not simply greatest in FG.
To make computer simulate reality better You need to tell to it more about reality. It can be done by FDM system or FDM file but You'v got to tell more anyway. If You cheat then You only tell about cheating and then You could be nice source for cheater simulator but nothing more.
If You mean some personal point then I simply had made best what I could with things and people what life had gave to me. To do more in that situation would be not the best what I could, so I am leaving.
Anyway, I already told You what is significant really, what is simply significant, and what it significant only personally. Do not see the reason... But wait.
Look.
Know why them happy?
On left is Yury Alexeevitch Gagarin. His real, in meanings of reality show, importance was titanic. Hi simply was absolutely healthy guy who did know how to smile. Do not laugh, it's very hard to become absolutely healthy guy and even more harder to not waste clearness of smile on some unclear relations. He could charm anyone, from enemy to queen. With that art he could be anyone, from movie star to president, but he did chose space flight and he was right. He become known not for year, for all mankind.
On right is Sergey Pavlovitch Korolyev. His true importance was titanic. He was not known for most of people on planet, but for ones who did know him he was absolute leader. He did know how to unite people and things, with that skill he could be ruler of whole planet. But he did chose space flight and he was right. He become known not for ages, for whole mankind.
Then look on those guys:
And those girls:
I can not send all that photos, there is a lot of, You personally could find it if You want. Know why them happy? Because most of them simply had lived their lives but suddenly become ones who can tell: "I did seen him!", "I did a bit for that!", "It was in my time!", and, BTW, "What did You done, what happened in Your time what You are proud of?".
Now look on that guy:
It's Nikita Sereevitch Khrushchev on phone. Know why he happy? Because he had power and could devastate all planet and waste all lives, not only lives of guys on photo, Your and my lives too, but instead made them, and partially me, proud of our life.
I do not send photos of wives and kids. It's personal relations, so You can find them personally.
You may not tell me. I am surely know what's important and how. And of course in simulator it can be bit other way, but, You know...It's bit other way only in simulator.
You may reread what I had said, if so then try to read it not as egocentrically driven but as pointed to common good. It's already true because I am already go and could not get any personal profit from all of that anyway.
That's what about real life. Now some final notes about Flight Gear state.
Real Vostok had inspired whole mankind. If everything in FG was clear then fact what someone had made rocket and spacecraft and orbital flight around Earth would inspire some changes here as it was in real life. Just because someone had made something first time in FG, because it is absented in other simulators. If all in FG was fair then intension to make that changes would be here. Even in case of total mess and real absence of common plan that intention would be here individually on all levels. But here is not so much inspiration, and the close to core developers the less that inspiration is presented. Then core developers have plan what does not include Vostok and any other spacecraft.
If some sort of humane was here then even if Vostok was absented in plan some steps to meet it would be presented, just because of understanding what human had spend a lot of time and hard work, maybe unreasonable, but it's important to him and can be important to someone else. Would it take so much work to make FG show some blue circle with clouds without slowing down? For specialist it's one working day, trifle. But there is no such steps. Then that plan is exploitation plan based on "You do it all alone and then we will use it if it'll go well with our plan" principle.
Even if it was inhuman, there must be some common sense here. Really serious project always can bring serious profit. Even if developer makes something useless for common plan on itself then result is related to project as whole and some parts can be useful for common business. If project is serious then parts is serious. In reality it occurs exactly that way, manned flight to the Moon was not brought much profit on itself still, but only teflon as particular result had compensated Moon program tens of times. "Vostok" makes orbital flight from liftoff to landing but third or so of project is realized. Anyway "Vostok"s thrust vector control semiautomatic system is very meaningful thing already since similar systems is used in most of modern fighters what is too sensitive without it. Stages change system would be used for full grown pilot ejection and safe chute landing simulation, it could add much popularity to project since it not presented in other comparable simulators. If "Vostok" could be continued there could be more commonly useful things. But that common sense is not presented here in FG.
Plan maybe was to draw me and guys as me in core development because it's in common interests. But when it had went out what I more possibly will go away than will go in deeps alone then someone could help me really. Just because it's in common interests. That is better to make two additional steps on meeting someone than lose him. But in case of "You do it alone, we will use results" it's unreasonable to await such steps.
And even if all of that was not presented commonly, for example because of comparable project young age, there could be at least one reasonable man between core developers to understand that individually and make some steps in accordance. But there was no real reaction, only some conversations.
Then there is exact plan presented, implying exploitation of man, predatory bare and totally dull, and that plan is realized without any glance of adequacy.
It all could be forgiven and maybe even forgotten in case of one small step in direction of meeting, or at least some small phrase as "we wish, but we can not". But here is even no single humane word. It's inhumane at all.
People who have virtual self affirmation as main purpose simply can not make something real because real is common and to make it means to make something what someone else needs and tells too therefore.
That is real deal there, it possible to trick man but impossible to trick life itself.
Waste of time: too unprofitable for work, too exhausting for hobby.