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EA300: GPL V2 Violation: Author Name Removal

Postby Octal450 » Sat May 16, 2020 2:28 pm

From viewtopic.php?f=49&t=36541
cobe571 wrote in Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:08 pm:I am involved in the personal development of an EXTRA-EA300 -> https://github.com/cobe571/EXTRA-EA300 which has both FDMs working.

But YASim is the one I developed better, but for the simple fact that JSBSim requires skills that I'm still only acquiring now and introduced it when YASim was already almost complete.

Now that I've seen this, I'm going to point out that the JSBsim FDMis my work, and you have taken my name off of it, erased the commit history, and put your name in its place. That is illegal, and violates the terms of the GPL V2 license. You may use my work, you may modify it and transform it and redistribute it, but you may not remove my name from my work.

I originally created this stripped down FDM for you in late 2019 from the IDG PA28 (before D-ECHO and rest of the changes were made), and when I stepped back from FG mostly due to failing health and stress related issues, you proceed to curse at me, play the victim, and then do this.

Compare the files. Note that I stripped it down before I gave it to cobe571 , and changed/tweak some numbers.

Main:
EA300: https://github.com/cobe571/EXTRA-EA300/ ... JSBSim.xml
IDG PA28: https://github.com/Octal450/IDG-PA28/bl ... 61-160.xml

Aerodynamics:
EA300: https://github.com/cobe571/EXTRA-EA300/ ... namics.xml
IDG-PA28: https://github.com/Octal450/IDG-PA28/bl ... namics.xml

FCS:
EA300: https://github.com/cobe571/EXTRA-EA300/ ... 00-fcs.xml
IDG-PA28: https://github.com/Octal450/IDG-PA28/bl ... 28-fcs.xml

Ground Reactions:
EA300: https://github.com/cobe571/EXTRA-EA300/ ... ctions.xml
IDG-PA28: https://github.com/Octal450/IDG-PA28/bl ... ctions.xml

Mass Balance:
EA300: https://github.com/cobe571/EXTRA-EA300/ ... alance.xml
IDG-PA28: https://github.com/Octal450/IDG-PA28/bl ... alance.xml

Metrics:
EA300: https://github.com/cobe571/EXTRA-EA300/ ... etrics.xml
IDG-PA28: https://github.com/Octal450/IDG-PA28/bl ... etrics.xml

Distance Zooming:
EA300: https://github.com/cobe571/EXTRA-EA300/ ... -views.nas
IDG-PA28: https://github.com/Octal450/IDG-PA28/bl ... -views.nas
The file is identical, but both me and onox names removed!

Look also at the commit history:
https://github.com/cobe571/EXTRA-EA300/ ... JSBSim.xml
https://github.com/cobe571/EXTRA-EA300/ ... namics.xml
https://github.com/cobe571/EXTRA-EA300/ ... 00-fcs.xml
https://github.com/cobe571/EXTRA-EA300/ ... ctions.xml
https://github.com/cobe571/EXTRA-EA300/ ... alance.xml
https://github.com/cobe571/EXTRA-EA300/ ... etrics.xml
https://github.com/cobe571/EXTRA-EA300/ ... -views.nas

You can see nothing of significant was ever really changed from my work. Its basically a re-upload without my name present.

Here is something I sent cobe during the time immediately before uploading it to his git (which was now removed): https://prnt.sc/shxsyb

As you can see it the similarities, except for what I stripped down and tweaked. So my name is removed and this is a violation of the GPL V2 license.

Patrizio - I imagine if I took your GPL V2 Extra 300 3D model, edited it slightly, and uploaded it with my name written on it instead you would be equally angered.

Please restore my name to the above linked files, or remove them from your repository.

Kind Regards,
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Re: EA300: GPL V2 Violation: Author Name Removal

Postby cobe571 » Mon May 18, 2020 5:38 am

Dear Josh,
It was you who contacted me offering your help, years ago. A help that cost me alot, since you first offered to help me then you pulled back. Always you have contacted me requesting to work on the MD-11. I worked on it for three months. Modeling and texturing night and day. Precious time that you threw to the trash because of your existential crises. Anyway for you to know. You in a very modest way "contributed" to a GPL licensed project and then disappeared leaving a trail of insults behind. You gave me some piece of code that doesn't even work very well. I will directly remove all the JSBSim part from my project. I also have many proofs of the time that you made me lose by working on your MD-11 morning and evening and yet I never came to claim anything. Nor my name to be added for sure. So what do you want? Do you want to take one of my 3D models? You have already done so and I have kept silent. So what are you talking about? If you have any problems, please write to me in private, I will be happy to answer all your accusations. Until then my project will remain as it is and your name will never appear anywhere. You gave me those small portions of code knowing really well that the project would be entirely GPL. And as mentioned in many other posts, the GPL code only requires the license to be exposed and so it was done. So your every accusation of violation of the license adds just another veil of patheticity to the ridiculous theater that you have been carrying out for years to always be on display here on the FG Forum. You found the wrong person to wage war on. For a long time you have had my undisputed esteem and support when no one paid more attention to you. For a long time you made me work on your projects making me throw away months of work. Now you attack me and direct other people against me, as has already happened. But you won't win. Not today, not tomorrow. You are only showing who you really are and what kind of people you are surrounded by.

Best regards

~P.
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Re: EA300: GPL V2 Violation: Author Name Removal

Postby amue » Mon May 18, 2020 6:02 am

cobe571 wrote in Mon May 18, 2020 5:38 am:See, if I take a GPL code, I can use it, distribute it and modify it to my liking. I can also leave it absolutely intact and use it as it is without having to specify where it comes from, using that same license and there's no violation.

If I understand the GPL-FAQ correctly you are wrong:
https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#IWantCredit
I want to get credit for my work. I want people to know what I wrote. Can I still get credit if I use the GPL? (#IWantCredit)

You can certainly get credit for the work. Part of releasing a program under the GPL is writing a copyright notice in your own name (assuming you are the copyright holder). The GPL requires all copies to carry an appropriate copyright notice.


cobe571 wrote in Mon May 18, 2020 5:38 am:So what do you want to do?

I think he only wants that you comply to the GPL license terms.
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Re: EA300: GPL V2 Violation: Author Name Removal

Postby Lachlan Eggins » Mon May 18, 2020 6:35 am

If I took one of your 3d models Cobe and it is GPL and i take your name off it and put my name on it does that sound like a good deal to you?

If you want we can go through your Github repos and see what else is lurking in there... do we want to do that?

It is clearly Josh's work and his name is meant to be on it even if it has been derived and used the base code (It's also in GPL licensing where it states these sorts of things)

So it will be best to not argue and just put Josh's name on it or remove the file and make your own because then its simple. Like seriously how bad is it for you to have josh's name on his own file....

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Re: EA300: GPL V2 Violation: Author Name Removal

Postby cobe571 » Mon May 18, 2020 6:40 am

NOTE: It is very strange that every time I am attacked, whoever attacks me, always does it from some account created just few days before. Very strange this thing.
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Re: EA300: GPL V2 Violation: Author Name Removal

Postby Thorsten » Mon May 18, 2020 6:52 am

Josh, can ask for whatever he wants, but under the GPL license he can't claim anything as written here:


Josh doesn't need to ask anything. If there's a file with his copyright notice in it, and you take that file, incorporate it into your project and remove the notice without making its contents clear elsewhere in your project (for instance in a centralized copyright file), you're in violation of the license already and need to fix that asap - whether Josh asks you or not is irrelevant. You're not asked to do him a favor, you're asked to comply with the license.


The first FAQ you linked is about 'claiming copyright' - in some countries, that is necessary if you create something (you need to add a copyright notice), in others you have copyright whether you add a notice or not. In the event it's irrelevant because Josh added a notice already, so if he created the file, he is copyright holder of it and claimed it properly.

The second FAQ entry is about citation in a scientific context and irrelevant here as you're not trying to publish a paper with Josh's work.

So the situation is very clear - if there's any material by Josh on your repository, you have to acknowledge that in written form and you may not simply remove his copyright notice.

Whether you've had any private misgivings, disagreements etc. is of no concern for that question.
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Re: EA300: GPL V2 Violation: Author Name Removal

Postby amue » Mon May 18, 2020 6:55 am

cobe571 wrote in Mon May 18, 2020 6:40 am:Josh, can ask for whatever he wants, but under the GPL license he can't claim anything as written here:

https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.ht ... mCopyright

and here:

https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.ht ... reCitation

Have a good day

~P.


The section you linked have nothing to do with Joshs complaint.
The relevant section I already linked in my post above. Please try to understand that section.
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Re: EA300: GPL V2 Violation: Author Name Removal

Postby Lachlan Eggins » Mon May 18, 2020 7:00 am

"NOTE: It is very strange that every time I am attacked, whoever attacks me, always does it from some account created just few days before. Very strange this thing."

1. lost my old account password, been on the forum for 5 years
2. not "attacking" you. just saying it would be a lot easier if you put his name on the files which he made.
3. Josh can clam what is his, and that work is his lol
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Re: EA300: GPL V2 Violation: Author Name Removal

Postby cobe571 » Mon May 18, 2020 7:10 am

Maybe when I have time to do it, I will. Objectively, however, I do not have the material time to do it neither now, nor tomorrow. And frankly I don't even have the strength since I'm in hospital almost every day. He gave me that code. He knew very well that that code would become GPL as part of the project. Now after years does he remember this? I have more important things at the moment. When I have the time and strength, that code will be completely removed and replaced by other code. If it is a problem for him, he can always ask some expert friend for help, to violate my GIT account (as someone has recently tried to do) and make the changes himself. At the moment I can't do it personally.

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Re: EA300: GPL V2 Violation: Author Name Removal

Postby Lachlan Eggins » Mon May 18, 2020 7:41 am

Please don't say you don't have the strength, because you are sitting here trying to argue about it when you can just go and change it. And i have been going to the hospital 3 times a week for the past 6 months so don't even go down that road...
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Re: EA300: GPL V2 Violation: Author Name Removal

Postby CaptB » Mon May 18, 2020 7:41 am

If only to be a decent human being, give credit where credit is due. You have only one name, and you risk people simply not wanting to work with you on anything knowing how you handle things.
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Re: EA300: GPL V2 Violation: Author Name Removal

Postby Lachlan Eggins » Mon May 18, 2020 7:50 am

CaptB wrote in Mon May 18, 2020 7:41 am:If only to be a decent human being, give credit where credit is due. You have only one name, and you risk people simply not wanting to work with you on anything knowing how you handle things.


Exactly right, like how hard is it? lol
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Re: EA300: GPL V2 Violation: Author Name Removal

Postby stuart » Mon May 18, 2020 3:56 pm

Hi Folks,

I've removed a bunch of posts that descended into personal attacks in clear violation of the forum rules. Any further personal attacks will result in temporary or permanent bans.

I'm not locking this topic for the moment, but may do so later.

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Re: EA300: GPL V2 Violation: Author Name Removal

Postby cobe571 » Mon May 18, 2020 4:05 pm

All the code that was present in my GIT repositories was promptly deleted very shortly after the appearance of this post. Josh's code is no longer present. That's all.

Best regards

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Re: EA300: GPL V2 Violation: Author Name Removal

Postby Octal450 » Mon May 18, 2020 4:27 pm

Hi Patrizio:
Thanks for taking care of that promptly.

I wish you best of luck on your projects.

Kind Regards,
Josh

PS:
cobe571 wrote:Do you want to take one of my 3D models? You have already done so and I have kept silent

No, I didn't. After your outbursts against me, I decided against using your 3D changes in my MD-11 repo.
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