A question and a reflection for everyone ... why the accuser, not involved in this discussion?
That does not mean that this should convince Thorsten in any way, obviously if he's volunteering to handle the review,
Like Erik said, if the original work was GPL, too - everything should be fine still.
abassign wrote in Mon Jan 01, 2018 11:21 am:Thorsten wrote in Mon Jan 01, 2018 7:38 am:If we both have near-identical files, but only I can produce a timestamped repository history showing my commits and you can not, the case is very clear.
So I believe the question is rather meaningful - do you have a repository history of any kind?
If so, we can settle the whole affair within ten minutes...
If you make this statement, then you have not read the time-stamp of the DropBox repository that I've added to you earlier:
wkitty42 wrote in Mon Jan 01, 2018 6:21 pm:you need a paper trail... dropbox and images are not a paper trail... the commit logs from a repository are a paper trail
My view is that the originator of the complaint must provide substantive evidence to make a claim of copying. In the absence of this evidence there is no case to answer. Until evidence is provided nobody should be making any judgments.
wkitty42 wrote in Mon Jan 01, 2018 6:21 pm:dude, you need a paper trail... dropbox and images are not a paper trail... the commit logs from a repository are a paper trail... a paper trail that cannot be faked (if it can be faked at all)... sadly, i don't see this going anywhere because of this dispute and your apparent inability to produce the requested paper trail so that everyone will know, without any doubt, that your work is what you say it is... you are not being asked to defend yourself or your work... you are being asked to provide a paper trail showing your work from the beginning to the current point in time... this would be required anyway even without the accusation from your former friend!
abassign wrote in Sat May 28, 2016 12:23 am:G91R4 the project is going ahead !
The 3D model continues to be developed by cobe571, and I continue with the FDM and lighting effects. Cobe571 currently is working on the landing gear and I hope soon to be able to start making the opening/closing mechanism. The ejection seat is ready and the interior of the cabin. Missing textures that are in development.
The license of the 3D model developed by Cobe571 is Creative Commons CC-BY-NC-ND 3.0
The license of FDM, NASAL, XML is GPL
This is an interesting experiment in "mixed-license" for FGFS. The reason for this approach is to prevent the 3D designs, developed for FGFS projects, they can become a part of commercial projects. Too many excellent 3D designers are not interested in developing quality projects for FGFS precisely because they believe that the GPL is used fraudulently by commercial companies in the field of flight simulators.
It would be interesting to have a repository for FGFS "Not Free", similar to what exists in Debian. In this repository can therefore be inserted projects with mixed license.
I think the quality has a cost and this cost must be paid somehow. Cobe571 is spending hundreds of hours on the project of G91, for him the model is a kind of "calling card" that can help him to find clients for his work as a 3D modeler. I hope that the example of this project could lead to other good 3D modelers themselves to divesting their works under CC-BY-NC-ND 3.0 license.
abassign wrote in Mon Jan 01, 2018 8:11 pm:We did not use the Cobe571 files because rightfully the CC-BY-NC-ND 3.0 license did not do it, but I never gave anyone the Cobe571 files because I did not want them to be taken as an example of work. I have never considered the working method of Cobe571 according to my wishes for the G91R1B. I wanted something more, to use the material more freely and to increase the polygons very much to increase the quality of the project, to adopt a more careful choice of biographical sources and to ask, to those who piloted the real plane, comments, additions etc.
bugman wrote in Mon Jan 01, 2018 8:54 pm:Ok, here you say you have Cobe571's meshes. And you say it is under the CC-BY-NC-ND 3.0 license. So you can upload these meshes, unmodified, and have someone - like Richard - compare these to your new meshes. Can you do this?
Regards, Edward
cobe571 wrote in Mon Jan 01, 2018 10:25 pm:The news, that a G-91-R1B, almost identical to mine was in circulation, was notified to me by an acquaintance. At that moment I was leaving the hospital, after the umpteenth cycle of therapy, and being still devastated by drugs, so I took the news for good, given the sad paths together. This does not justify my unjustified accusations; I know. Only today, that I am home again and I have examined everything; I believe that the work done by the development team is absolutely NOT the result of my work. In fact, they have done much better than I could have done alone. I offer my sincerest apologies to the development team of the G-91-R1B and I wholeheartedly congratulate you on the work done that shows their love for Italian aircraft. My sincerest apologies to Adriano and Massimiliano. My sincerest compliments for the Great Job.
My sincerest apologies again
Patrizio ~
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