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Re: Boeing C-32J "Mav Force One"

Postby Octal450 » Mon Jul 24, 2017 1:50 pm

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Re: Boeing C-32J "Mav Force One"

Postby japanair772 » Tue Aug 22, 2017 8:25 am

Hey!
I flew this and I find it better than the normal 757!
It's really a good looking aircraft!
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Re: Boeing C-32J "Mav Force One"

Postby Octal450 » Tue Aug 22, 2017 2:08 pm

:)

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Re: Boeing C-32J "Mav Force One"

Postby Hooray » Sun Sep 03, 2017 7:40 am

J Maverick 16 wrote in Mon Jul 24, 2017 1:28 pm:I've recently improved all the flighdeck textures and added a new working EFB, with some other minor fixes.


Could you possibly post a link to the XML/Nasal code implementing your EFB ?
Is it using Canvas or not ?
I am asking because we've now seen at least half a dozen of attempts at creating an EFB, and it seems it would be about time to come up with a generic system that caters to all needs.

Ideally, such a system would be using Richard's MFD framework.
And given the likely requirement to render approach charts and/or checklists, it would probably benefit from having support for rendering PDF files, too - I think omega95 and other EFB developers were providing PDFs in the form of converted raster images, which doesn't really scale and is pretty tedious.

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Hooray wrote:we actually have a patch to load/display PDF files right into the FlightGear window, so that these tutorials could optionally be shown there. For example, the screenshot below renders the FlightGear manual in a Canvas GUI dialog:

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Re: Boeing C-32J "Mav Force One"

Postby Octal450 » Sun Sep 03, 2017 8:43 am

I am 99% sure its not canvas.

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Re: Boeing C-32J "Mav Force One"

Postby Hooray » Sun Sep 03, 2017 8:56 am

I think omega95 and others were using a texture-based variant that would merely render a bunch of pre-converted PDFs that were exported as raster images.
That's the kind of thing (and workflow) that a Canvas based version would make obsolete.
Thus, I would strongly suggest not to use any "dead-ends" in the EFB department.

These days, I don't think there is any good reason not develop an EFB on top of Richard's MFD framework using Nasal and Canvas.

Omega95 was using a legacy system that, compared to the MFD approach using Nasal/Canvas, cannot really scale:
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I think it was the 777 where I-Nemo was working on a new generation EFB system, but as far I can tell, that work has stalled - or at the very least didn't materialize in the form of anything resuable from a Nasal/Canvas standpoint ?

Looking at the topic in question, that all took place 3.5 years ago - and I even made the last posting, not sure if I-NEMO is even still around these days?
viewtopic.php?f=71&t=23204&hilit=efb+nasal&start=45

We did create a wiki article, but everything there stalled obviously:
http://wiki.flightgear.org/Canvas_EFB_Framework

If anybody is seriously interested in developing a reusable Canvas-based EFB using Richard's MFD framework, please do get in touch.
I am very willing to help getting started with this, which will include tailored tutorials, code snippets and patches to get you going.
Personally, I consider any non-Canvas based approach a dead-end, that will ultimately result in duplicate work.

Obviously, it would be great if the corresponding developers would already be familiar with Nasal/Canvas basics, even better if they're able to apply C++/OSG patches to rebuild SG/FG from source (for the CanvasPDF element to work).

Compared to EFB code I have seen so far, the amount of work is actually not that much - a simple EFB using Richard's MFD framework could certainly be prototyped using ~100 lines of code, able to load/display arbitrary PDFs, even using online web-services like airnav.com to fetch the corresponding approach charts/terminal procedures.
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Re: Boeing C-32J "Mav Force One"

Postby J Maverick 16 » Sun Sep 03, 2017 2:30 pm

The EFB we used is exactly I-NEMO's from the 777, adapting it to KC-137R first and C-32J after.
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Re: Boeing C-32J "Mav Force One"

Postby zacarias » Sat Sep 30, 2017 5:41 pm

Wouldn't it be possible for you to do a normal 757 based on this one?
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Re: Boeing C-32J "Mav Force One"

Postby Octal450 » Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:00 pm

That would be a waste of time. It would be better to back port the changes, as this itself is based on the 757.

Which exact things are you thinking of?

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Re: Boeing C-32J "Mav Force One"

Postby zacarias » Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:04 pm

I'm thinking about liveries and all the things that distinguish it from the regular 757. Since the best 757 available is not as good as this C32, I think.
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Re: Boeing C-32J "Mav Force One"

Postby Octal450 » Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:06 pm

Can you name specific things? The liveries are specific to this plane.
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Re: Boeing C-32J "Mav Force One"

Postby J Maverick 16 » Sun Oct 01, 2017 9:03 am

zacarias wrote in Sat Sep 30, 2017 5:41 pm:Wouldn't it be possible for you to do a normal 757 based on this one?

First of all thanks for appreciating the plane! ;)
I think you mean include some features and improvements we made to the C-32J to the normal 757, like AP and such. Well, it depends if the author would agree with that, otherwise a fork of the 757 should be created which would include these improvements. Obviously not all of these can be ported as some aren't standard for the real 757 ;) .
These custom liveries have nothing to do with the normal 757, nor the airlines liveries have something to do with the C-32J. If you mean that the present 757 liveries should be improved, then I don't have the time to do that, I'm sorry.
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Re: Boeing C-32J "Mav Force One"

Postby zacarias » Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:18 pm

J Maverick 16 wrote in Sun Oct 01, 2017 9:03 am:
zacarias wrote in Sat Sep 30, 2017 5:41 pm:Wouldn't it be possible for you to do a normal 757 based on this one?

First of all thanks for appreciating the plane! ;)
I think you mean include some features and improvements we made to the C-32J to the normal 757, like AP and such.
Cheers, Mav

That's it, more or less. The current 757 has the C32 option. You could do the other way round. But maybe you're right, it would be better to apply your improvements to the 757.
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