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Re: Cessna 182S

Postby gsagostinho » Fri Jan 08, 2016 4:03 pm

@jaxsin Thanks! This work is being developed in a private repository, see the first post in this thread for the link and explanations of how to install it. Once we have a stable version of the aircraft we will probably ask for it to get merged into FGAddon, but meanwhile you can directly use our repository if you want to fly it. As for FGMEMBERS, that's a non-official repository that has nothing to do with our work, though I believe they have forked our repository.

Also note that the interior textures and newer model are not pushed yet to the repository because we want to fix some things before, but we should do it in the next days.

Cheers!
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Re: Cessna 182S

Postby gsagostinho » Sat Jan 09, 2016 12:02 pm

Heiko just posted more images in our repository:

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Re: Cessna 182S

Postby legoboyvdlp » Sat Jan 09, 2016 1:16 pm

As always, beautiful shots; very nice bumpmap on the wings, reflection, and 'dirt' on the flaps.
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Re: Cessna 182S

Postby gsagostinho » Sat Jan 09, 2016 1:17 pm

Yeah, looks gorgeous. The external model so far is 100% Heiko's work, and he is extremely talented.
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Re: Cessna 182S

Postby Müller » Sat Jan 09, 2016 4:22 pm

It's not the kind of aircraft I usually fly, but looking at the pictures I see a high level of detail, excellent work, very well done!
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Re: Cessna 182S

Postby f-ojac » Sun Jan 10, 2016 10:28 am

Absolutely wonderful.
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Re: Cessna 182S

Postby Johan G » Sun Jan 10, 2016 7:13 pm

I think the C182 have a very common pitfall. I often feel that the riveting is more of a thing for a livery layer than the normal map (in particular since flush rivets usually are used in this day and age), and also usually that the normal map could be a bit more subtle. Also, I often miss seeing (ever so slightly) wrinkled panels on aircraft.

Here are some C128 photos that may help understand what I mean:

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Photo of a R182 Skylane RG by Steve Homewood at Planespotters.net

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Cessna182t skylane n2231f cotswoldairshow 2010 arp [Public domain], by Adrian Pingstone (Arpingstone) (Own work), from Wikimedia Commons
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Re: Cessna 182S

Postby gsagostinho » Sun Jan 10, 2016 7:31 pm

Hi Johan,

Johan G wrote in Sun Jan 10, 2016 7:13 pm:I think the C182 have a very common pitfall. I often feel that the riveting is more of a thing for a livery layer than the normal map (in particular since flush rivets usually are used in this day and age), and also usually that the normal map could be a bit more subtle.


Well, I don't agree at all that riveting should be done in the livery because the normal map has some advantages to it (some reflections look really good, depending on the angle. See: viewtopic.php?f=19&t=28453#p271864 ). This sort of thing would not be possible with a livery only and the wing would simply look bland from such angle. What I don't understand is the mention that the 182 has this pitfall, why is this unique to this model? Indeed the normal map could be a bit more subtle, I will discuss this with Heiko.

Also, I often miss seeing (ever so slightly) wrinkled panels on aircraft.

I wouldn't know how to approach that, in the 3D model? Using a map? Personally, I don't see much necessity on this, but that's just my view.
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Re: Cessna 182S

Postby gooneybird » Sun Jan 10, 2016 8:16 pm

Several years ago I experimented with a method to create a wrinkled skin texture but never followed up on it, It may be useful to you especially if applied to a bump map. http://forum.flightgear.org/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=15697&hilit=metal
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Re: Cessna 182S

Postby gsagostinho » Sun Jan 10, 2016 8:19 pm

Thanks, I will take a look at it.
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Re: Cessna 182S

Postby Johan G » Sun Jan 10, 2016 8:30 pm

Johan G wrote in Sun Jan 10, 2016 7:13 pm:I think the C182 have a very common pitfall. [...]

gsagostinho wrote in Sun Jan 10, 2016 7:31 pm:[...] why is this unique to this model?

It isn't. ;) Hence "very common pitfall". I probably could have expressed that better.

Johan G wrote in Sun Jan 10, 2016 7:13 pm:[...] I often feel that the riveting is more of a thing for a livery layer than the normal map [...]

gsagostinho wrote in Sun Jan 10, 2016 7:31 pm:Well, I don't agree at all that riveting should be done in the livery because the normal map has some advantages to it (some reflections look really good, depending on the angle. See: http://forum.flightgear.org/viewtopic.p ... 53#p271864 ). This sort of thing would not be possible with a livery only and the wing would simply look bland from such angle.

Good point, actually. :)
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Re: Cessna 182S

Postby gsagostinho » Sun Jan 10, 2016 8:32 pm

@Johan G Thanks for all the input! I opened an issue for making the normalmap more subtle here: https://github.com/HHS81/c182/issues/28
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Re: Cessna 182S

Postby gsagostinho » Sun Jan 10, 2016 8:38 pm

Quoting Heiko:

I know that the effect is exaggerated, this is currently needed to check if all rivets and lines sits at the right point - and of course to show that I have worked on the model ;-). ( There are still some lines and rivets missing, and a specularity map is also missing yet).
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Re: Cessna 182S

Postby gsagostinho » Sun Jan 10, 2016 8:43 pm

And some more by him:


Btw.(@Johan G.) the C182 doesn't have flushed rivets:

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And yes, a fresh cleaned aircraft is quite reflective:

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Re: Cessna 182S

Postby Johan G » Sun Jan 10, 2016 9:11 pm

Ah, I clearly see now that those rivets are not flush rivets. :oops: Thanks for the correction. :)
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