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Re: Douglas DC-3 C47 - Dual Control

Postby fmg » Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:58 am

Hello again,

here is a slightly improved version. It has better ground handling and a bit better takeoff-behavior.

f-)

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<!-- Douglas DC3/C47 : BARANGER Emmanuel  (2011)
                       Updated by OO ZVY  (10/2011)
                       New version by Pat (11/2011)
                       New version by Frank G. (26/11/2011) aircraft shape finished
                       Updated by Frank G. (28/11/2011) gear adjusted
                       
     sources         : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_DC-3

     Wingspan        : 95 ft 00 in ( 29.00 m  )
     Lenght          : 64 ft 05 in ( 19.70 m  )
     Height          : 16 ft 11 in (  5.16 m  )
     Empty mass      :    18300 lb (  8300 kg )
     Engines         : 2 Pratt & Whitney Twin Wasp S1C3G (1200 each)
     Cruise speed    :      130 kt ( 240 km/h )
     Maximim speed   :      206 kt ( 381 km/h )
     
     Speeds:
     Pattern 110 kn
     Approach empty: full flaps 87 kn, fully loaded: half flaps 97 kn

-->

<airplane mass="18300">

  <approach speed="79" aoa="6" fuel="0.25">
    <control-setting axis="/controls/engines/engine[0]/throttle" value="0.2"/>
    <control-setting axis="/controls/engines/engine[0]/mixture" value="1"/>
    <control-setting axis="/controls/engines/engine[0]/propeller-pitch" value="0.2"/>
    <control-setting axis="/controls/engines/engine[0]/boost" value="0"/>

    <control-setting axis="/controls/engines/engine[1]/throttle" value="0.2"/>
    <control-setting axis="/controls/engines/engine[1]/mixture" value="1"/>
    <control-setting axis="/controls/engines/engine[1]/propeller-pitch" value="0.2"/>
    <control-setting axis="/controls/engines/engine[1]/boost" value="0"/>

    <control-setting axis="/controls/flight/flaps" value="1"/>
    <control-setting axis="/controls/gear/gear-down" value="1"/>
  </approach>

  <cruise speed="171" alt="20500" fuel="1">
    <control-setting axis="/controls/engines/engine[0]/throttle" value="0.77"/>
    <control-setting axis="/controls/engines/engine[0]/mixture" value="0.8"/>
    <control-setting axis="/controls/engines/engine[0]/propeller-pitch" value="0.85"/>
    <control-setting axis="/controls/engines/engine[0]/boost" value="1"/>

    <control-setting axis="/controls/engines/engine[1]/throttle" value="0.77"/>
    <control-setting axis="/controls/engines/engine[1]/mixture" value="0.8"/>
    <control-setting axis="/controls/engines/engine[1]/propeller-pitch" value="0.85"/>
    <control-setting axis="/controls/engines/engine[1]/boost" value="1"/>

    <control-setting axis="/controls/flight/flaps" value="0"/>
    <control-setting axis="/controls/gear/gear-down" value="0"/>
  </cruise>

  <cockpit x="7.931" y="0.407" z="0.431"/>

  <!-- Fuselage -->
  <fuselage ax=" 9.842" ay=" 0.000" az="-0.351" bx=" 9.5" by=" 0.000" bz="-0.37" width="0.88" taper="0.3" midpoint="1.00" idrag="0"/>
  <fuselage ax=" 9.5" ay=" 0.000" az="-0.37" bx=" 8.19" by=" 0.000" bz="-0.44" width="1.64" taper="0.54" midpoint="1.00" idrag="0.1"/>
  <fuselage ax=" 8.5" ay=" 0.000" az="-0.51" bx="7.9" by=" 0.000" bz="-0.29" width="2.2" taper="0.73" midpoint="1.00" idrag="0.3"/>
  <fuselage ax=" 8.3" ay=" 0.000" az="-0.2" bx=" 7.597" by=" 0.000" bz="-0.179" width="2.3" taper="0.79" midpoint="1.00" idrag="0.4"/>

  <fuselage ax=" 7.62" ay=" 0.000" az="-0.179" bx=" 4.673" by=" 0.000" bz="-0.150" width="2.570" taper="0.89" midpoint="1.00" idrag="0.3"/>
  <fuselage ax=" 4.673" ay=" 0.000" az="-0.150" bx="-1.755" by=" 0.000" bz="-0.096" width="2.570" taper="1.00" midpoint="1" idrag="0.7"/>
  <fuselage ax="-1.755" ay=" 0.000" az="-0.096" bx="-4.5" by=" 0.000" bz=" -0.04" width="2.570" taper="0.8" midpoint="0" idrag="0.8"/>
  <fuselage ax="-4.5" ay=" 0.000" az="-0.04" bx="-9.789" by=" 0.000" bz=" 0.085" width="2.056" taper="0.01" midpoint="0" idrag="0.9"/>

  <!-- Moteur gauche -->
  <fuselage ax=" 7.379" ay=" 2.814" az="-1.194" bx=" 6.879" by=" 2.814" bz="-1.194" width="0.30" taper="1" midpoint="1" idrag="0"/>
   
  <fuselage ax=" 6.879" ay=" 2.814" az="-1.194" bx=" 6.74" by=" 2.814" bz="-1.194" width="1.280" taper="0.76" midpoint="1" idrag="0.1"/>
  <fuselage ax=" 6.74" ay=" 2.814" az="-1.194" bx=" 4.120" by=" 2.814" bz="-1.194" width="1.340" taper="0.95" midpoint="0.5" idrag="0.3"/>
  <fuselage ax=" 4.120" ay=" 2.814" az="-1.194" bx=" 3.3" by=" 2.814" bz="-1.194" width="1.280" taper="0.62" midpoint="0.0" idrag="0.7"/>
  <fuselage ax=" 3.3" ay=" 2.814" az="-1.194" bx=" 2.550" by=" 2.814" bz="-1.194" width="0.7936" taper="0.10" midpoint="0.0" idrag="0.9"/>

  <!-- Moteur droit -->
  <fuselage ax=" 7.379" ay="-2.814" az="-1.194" bx=" 6.879" by="-2.814" bz="-1.194" width="0.30" taper="1" midpoint="1" idrag="0"/>
   
  <fuselage ax=" 6.879" ay="-2.814" az="-1.194" bx=" 6.74" by="-2.814" bz="-1.194" width="1.280" taper="0.76" midpoint="1" idrag="0.1"/>
  <fuselage ax=" 6.74" ay="-2.814" az="-1.194" bx=" 4.120" by="-2.814" bz="-1.194" width="1.340" taper="0.95" midpoint="0.5" idrag="0.3"/>
  <fuselage ax=" 4.120" ay="-2.814" az="-1.194" bx=" 3.3" by="-2.814" bz="-1.194" width="1.280" taper="0.62" midpoint="0.0" idrag="0.7"/>
  <fuselage ax=" 3.3" ay="-2.814" az="-1.194" bx=" 2.550" by="-2.814" bz="-1.194" width="0.7936" taper="0.10" midpoint="0.0" idrag="0.9"/>
 
  <!-- Wing --> 
  <wing x="2.784" y="3.444" z="-1.255"
        chord="4.415"
        incidence="0.63"
        twist="-1.1"
        length="10.4"
        taper="0.36"
        sweep="7.7"
        dihedral="7.8"
        camber="0.29"
        idrag="0.55">
        <stall aoa="13" width="10" peak="1.5"/>
        <flap0 start="0.00" end="0.28" lift="1" drag="1.7"/>
        <flap1 start="0.28" end="1" lift="1.4" drag="1.05"/>

        <control-input axis="/controls/flight/flaps" control="FLAP0"/>
        <control-input axis="/controls/flight/aileron" control="FLAP1" split="true"/>
        <control-input axis="/controls/flight/aileron-trim" control="FLAP1" split="true"/>

        <control-output control="FLAP0" prop="/surface-positions/flap-pos-norm"/>
        <control-output control="FLAP1" side="left" prop="/surface-positions/left-aileron-pos-norm"/>
        <control-output control="FLAP1" side="right" prop="/surface-positions/right-aileron-pos-norm"/>
        <control-output control="FLAP1" prop="/surface-positions/aileron-pos-norm"/>

        <control-speed control="FLAP0" transition-time="5"/>
  </wing>

   <!-- Wing middle --> 
  <mstab x="2.784" y="0" z="-1.255"
        chord="4.415"
        incidence="0.63"
        length="3.444"
        taper="1"
        sweep="0"
        dihedral="0"
        camber="0.29"
        idrag="0.55">
        <stall aoa="13" width="10" peak="1.5"/>
        <flap0 start="0.09" end="1" lift="1" drag="1.7"/>

        <control-input axis="/controls/flight/flaps" control="FLAP0"/>

        <control-output control="FLAP0" prop="/surface-positions/flap-pos-norm"/>

        <control-speed control="FLAP0" transition-time="5"/>
  </mstab>
 
   <!-- Wing root --> 
  <mstab x="0.05" y="0.85" z="-1.345"
        chord="1.7"
        incidence="-2"
        length="1.1"
        taper="0.1"
        sweep="-39"
        dihedral="-0.8"
        camber="0"
        idrag="0.55">
        <stall aoa="13" width="10" peak="1.5"/>
  </mstab>


   <!-- Wing tip i --> 
  <mstab x="1.39" y="13.65" z="0.145"
        chord="1.5894"
        incidence="-0.47"
        length="0.5"
        taper="0.79"
        sweep="-0.5"
        dihedral="7.8"
        camber="0.29"
        idrag="0.55">
        <stall aoa="13" width="10" peak="1.5"/>
  </mstab>

   <!-- Wing tip m --> 
  <mstab x="1.4" y="14.15" z="0.215"
        chord="1.255626"
        incidence="-0.47"
        length="0.3"
        taper="0.69"
        sweep="2.5"
        dihedral="7.8"
        camber="0.29"
        idrag="0.55">
        <stall aoa="13" width="10" peak="1.5"/>
  </mstab>

   <!-- Wing tip o --> 
  <mstab x="1.39" y="14.45" z="0.26"
        chord="0.86638"
        incidence="-0.47"
        length="0.24"
        taper="0.2"
        sweep="12.5"
        dihedral="7.8"
        camber="0.29"
        idrag="0.55">
        <stall aoa="13" width="10" peak="1.5"/>
  </mstab>

  <!-- Elevator -->
  <hstab x="-7.559" y="0" z="0.136"
         chord="2.584"
         length="3.7"
         taper="0.34"
         sweep="13.3"
         camber="-0.04"
         incidence="0">
         <stall aoa="14" width="5" peak="1.5"/>
         <flap0 start="0.13" end="1" lift="1.8" drag="1.15"/>

         <control-input axis="/controls/flight/elevator" control="FLAP0"/>
         <control-input axis="/controls/flight/elevator-trim" control="FLAP0"/>

         <control-output control="FLAP0" prop="/surface-positions/elevator-pos-norm"/>
  </hstab>
 
  <!-- Elevator tip -->
  <mstab x="-8.409" y="3.6" z="0.136"
         chord="0.888"
         length="0.61"
         taper="0.2"
         sweep="36.0"
         camber="-0.04"
         incidence="0">
         <stall aoa="14" width="5" peak="1.5"/>
         <flap0 start="0" end="1" lift="1.75" drag="1.1"/>

         <control-input axis="/controls/flight/elevator" control="FLAP0"/>
         <control-input axis="/controls/flight/elevator-trim" control="FLAP0"/>

         <control-output control="FLAP0" prop="/surface-positions/elevator-pos-norm"/>
  </mstab>

   <!-- Elevator root --> 
  <mstab x="-8.92" y="0" z="0.136"
        chord="0.90"
        incidence="2"
        length="0.5"
        taper="0.9"
        sweep="22"
        camber="0"
        idrag="0.58">
        <stall aoa="14" width="5" peak="1.5"/>
  </mstab>


  <!-- Rudder -->
  <vstab x="-6.8" y="0" z="0.048"
         chord="3.5"
         length="3.36"
         sweep="20.7"
         taper="0.32"
         idrag="0.01">
         <stall aoa="15" width="12" peak="1.9"/>
         <flap0 start="0.23" end="1" lift="2.4" drag="1.27"/>

         <control-input axis="/controls/flight/rudder" control="FLAP0" square="true" invert="true"/>
         <control-input axis="/controls/flight/rudder-trim" control="FLAP0" invert="true"/>

         <control-output control="FLAP0" prop="/surface-positions/rudder-pos-norm"/>
  </vstab>

  <!-- Rudder top -->
  <vstab x="-8." y="0" z="3.19"
         chord="1.12"
         length="0.63"
         sweep="47.4"
         taper="0.16"
         idrag="0.01">
         <stall aoa="15" width="12" peak="1.9"/>
         <flap0 start="0" end="1" lift="2.4" drag="1.22"/>

         <control-input axis="/controls/flight/rudder" control="FLAP0" square="true" invert="true"/>
         <control-input axis="/controls/flight/rudder-trim" control="FLAP0" invert="true"/>

         <control-output control="FLAP0" prop="/surface-positions/rudder-pos-norm"/>
  </vstab>

  <!-- Rudder tail -->
  <vstab x="-8.28" y="0" z="0.05"
         chord="2.1"
         length="0.80"
         sweep="51"
         taper="0.9"
         idrag="0.01">
         <stall aoa="15" width="14" peak="1.5"/>
  </vstab>

  <!-- Rudder tail -->
  <vstab x="-8.9" y="0" z="0.55"
         chord="1.9"
         length="0.21"
         sweep="0"
         taper="0.97"
         idrag="0.01">
         <stall aoa="15" width="14" peak="1.5"/>
  </vstab>

  <!-- Rudder front -->
  <vstab x="-3.8" y="0" z="0.75"
         chord="4.6"
         length="2.99"
         incidence="7."
         sweep="73"
         taper="0.1"
         idrag="0.01">
         <stall aoa="15" width="14" peak="1.5"/>
  </vstab>

  <!-- Informations : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pratt_%26_Whitney_R-1830

       Engines      : Pratt & Whitney R-1830 Twin Wasp
       Type         : Fourteen-cylinder two-row supercharged air-cooled radial engine
       Power        : 1200 hp at 2700 rpm for takeoff
                    :  700 hp at 2325 rpm cruise power at 13120 ft (4000 m)
       Displacement : 1829.4 in3 (30 l)
       Masse        : 1250 lb (567 kg)
       Compression  : 6.7:1
  -->
  <propeller x="6.351" y="2.814" z="-1.194"
             mass="1250"
             moment="80"
             radius="1.75"
             min-rpm="320"
             max-rpm="2700"
             cruise-speed="169"
             cruise-rpm="1910"
             cruise-power="700"
             cruise-alt="5000"
             takeoff-power="1217"
             takeoff-rpm="2500"
             fine-stop="0.37"
             coarse-stop="3">
             <actionpt x="7.170" y="2.814" z="-1.194"/>
             <control-input axis="/controls/engines/engine[0]/propeller-pitch" control="ADVANCE"/>
             <control-input axis="/controls/engines/engine[0]/propeller-feather" control="PROPFEATHER"/>
             <piston-engine eng-power="1217"
                            eng-rpm="3500"
                            compression="6.7"
                            turbo-mul="2.5"
                            wastegate-mp="52"
                            displacement="1829.4">
                            <control-input axis="/controls/engines/engine[0]/throttle" control="THROTTLE"/>
                            <control-input axis="/engines/engine[0]/cranking" control="STARTER"/>
                            <control-input axis="/controls/engines/engine[0]/magnetos" control="MAGNETOS"/>
                            <control-input axis="/controls/engines/engine[0]/mixture" control="MIXTURE"/>
                            <control-input axis="/controls/engines/engine[0]/boost" control="BOOST"/>
             </piston-engine>
  </propeller>

  <propeller x="6.351" y="-2.814" z="-1.194"
             mass="1250"
             moment="80"
             radius="1.75"
             min-rpm="320"
             max-rpm="2700"
             cruise-speed="169"
             cruise-rpm="1910"
             cruise-power="700"
             cruise-alt="5000"
             takeoff-power="1217"
             takeoff-rpm="2500"
             fine-stop="0.37"
             coarse-stop="3">
             <actionpt x="7.170" y="-2.814" z="-1.194"/>
             <control-input axis="/controls/engines/engine[1]/propeller-pitch" control="ADVANCE"/>
             <control-input axis="/controls/engines/engine[1]/propeller-feather" control="PROPFEATHER"/>
             <piston-engine eng-power="1217"
                            eng-rpm="3500"
                            compression="6.7"
                            turbo-mul="2.5"
                            wastegate-mp="52"
                            displacement="1829.4">
                            <control-input axis="/controls/engines/engine[1]/throttle" control="THROTTLE"/>
                            <control-input axis="/engines/engine[1]/cranking" control="STARTER"/>
                            <control-input axis="/controls/engines/engine[1]/magnetos" control="MAGNETOS"/>
                            <control-input axis="/controls/engines/engine[1]/mixture" control="MIXTURE"/>
                            <control-input axis="/controls/engines/engine[1]/boost" control="BOOST"/>
             </piston-engine>
  </propeller>

  <gear x="4.250" y="2.814" z="-3.582"
        compression="0.15"
        retract-time="7"
        spring="0.5"
        sfric ="0.8"
        dfric ="0.6"
        reduce-friction-by-extension="0.39"
        damp="2.6">
        <control-input axis="/controls/gear/brake-left-apply" control="BRAKE"/>
        <control-input axis="/controls/gear/brake-parking" control="BRAKE"/>

        <control-input axis="/controls/gear/gear-down" control="EXTEND"/>
        <control-speed control="EXTEND" transition-time="5.1"/>
        <control-output control="EXTEND" prop="/gear/gear[0]/position-norm"/>
  </gear>

  <gear x="4.250" y="-2.814" z="-3.582"
        compression="0.15"
        retract-time="7"
        spring="0.5"
        sfric ="0.84"
        dfric ="0.64"
        damp="2.6">
        <control-input axis="/controls/gear/brake-right-apply" control="BRAKE"/>
        <control-input axis="/controls/gear/brake-parking" control="BRAKE"/>

        <control-input axis="/controls/gear/gear-down" control="EXTEND"/>
        <control-speed control="EXTEND" transition-time="5.1"/>
        <control-output control="EXTEND" prop="/gear/gear[1]/position-norm"/>
  </gear>

  <gear x="-7.264" y="0.000" z="-1.252"
        compression="0.1"
        castering="1"
        spring="0.5"
        sfric ="0.95"
        dfric="0.7">
        <control-input axis="/controls/flight/rudder" control="STEER" src0="-1.0" src1="1.0" dst0="0.36" dst1="-0.36"/>
        <control-input axis="/controls/gear/tailwheel-lock" src0="0" src1="1" dst0="1" dst1="0" control="CASTERING"/>
  </gear>

  <tank x="2.3" y=" 1.7" z="-1.35" capacity="1206"/> <!-- Tank Aux Left -->
  <tank x="4.1" y=" 1.7" z="-1.35" capacity="1260"/> <!-- Tank Main Left -->
  <tank x="4.1" y="-1.7" z="-1.35" capacity="1260"/> <!-- Tank Main Right -->
  <tank x="2.3" y="-1.7" z="-1.35" capacity="1206"/> <!-- Tank Aux Right -->

  <weight x=" 8.940" y="0" z="0" size="0.25" mass-prop="sim/weight[0]/weight-lb"/>
  <weight x=" 7.130" y="0" z="0" size="0.25" mass-prop="sim/weight[1]/weight-lb"/>
  <weight x=" 6.026" y="0" z="0" size="0.25" mass-prop="sim/weight[2]/weight-lb"/>
  <weight x=" 4.257" y="0" z="0" size="0.25" mass-prop="sim/weight[3]/weight-lb"/>
  <weight x=" 1.743" y="0" z="0" size="0.25" mass-prop="sim/weight[4]/weight-lb"/>
  <weight x="-0.560" y="0" z="0" size="0.25" mass-prop="sim/weight[5]/weight-lb"/>
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Re: Douglas DC-3 C47 - Dual Control

Postby helijah » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:12 am

I try again :) thx
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Re: Douglas DC-3 C47 - Dual Control

Postby Alral » Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:36 pm

I just wonder...should the tail-wheel really be controllable, as it is in fdm? I do not know for sure, but just guessing that they were free-turning (and that's the point of tail wheel lock - to prevent turning while take-off/landing) - isn't it so?
By the way, isn't it too sensitive to winds? Even with 3 kt crosswind it becomes quite difficult to handle (interesting, but didn't spot much difference between 3 and 8 kt crosswind take-off), it leans to the left quite fast. At 21 kts wind I could not keep it on the runway at all, even by brakes (it rather turned over to its nose then corrected its direction). Should it really be this way, am I missing something?
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P.S. I mean the tail-dragger one, not floated one.
P.P.S. Should confess - 21 kts crosswind can be too strong to me - couldn't bring to skies even Me-109 (unless full throttle and nearly burning my engine, and also with a large angle to the centre line to the runway), which is my most usual plane in FG (loosing skills, certainly). But still, it seems like dc-3 is a bit more sensitive to winds than I would expect...or is it only from my view?
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Re: Douglas DC-3 C47 - Dual Control

Postby F-JJTH » Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:08 pm

Hi Alral,

Yes the tail-wheel is controllable :wink: You have 2 mode : locked and unlocked

Tail-wheel locked = You can turn on the ground using rudder axis
Tail-wheel unlocked = You can turn on the ground using brake left and brake right (in this way the tail-wheel is "tail-dragger")

I hope I've answer to your question :wink:

About the wind sensibility, the Douglas DC3 is highly sensible to wind. It's very very important to take-off face to wind. If you take-off face to wind you can control the DC3 even with 40kts wind come from 20 deg lateral (I testing to take-off on RWY 13 with 40kts from 150)

The PAF team continue to work on the DC3 and we post soon a new release with :
- Loading reduced for MP (use animation type "range")
- copilot and passenger can see interior as they like with a menu
- new rudder
- and many other little things and correction

Currently we work with a GIT repository, so you can download it here : https://gitorious.org/paf
(Contains scenery and aircraft tuned by PAF team)

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Re: Douglas DC-3 C47 - Dual Control

Postby Alral » Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:45 pm

Hello
Didn't know about tail wheel. Thank you. That's why I felt surprised when saw that tail wheel is controlled by rudder - I thought DC-3 didn't have this option.
(actually, does make some unpleasant feelings on the runway, but let it be).

Face to wind...would be nice, if possible (we have mostly airports with one runway...seems like I should get on floats next time - fortunately we've got enough water).
But OK, 21 kts crosswind is a bit too much not only for DC-3.

Thank you for your replies. Nice to hear that development continues. A nice good plane...
(By the way, noted such thing. At night windows are glowing and so you cannot see anything from the window in cabin view. Maybe it's worth binding that glowing to the current view? If it hasn't been done yet - my dc3 version is not the newest, I guess).
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Re: Douglas DC-3 C47 - Dual Control

Postby F-JJTH » Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:37 pm

Alral wrote in Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:45 pm:By the way, noted such thing. At night windows are glowing and so you cannot see anything from the window in cabin view. Maybe it's worth binding that glowing to the current view? If it hasn't been done yet - my dc3 version is not the newest, I guess


Oh yeah thanks to report this bug ! I'd never seen this bug :?
I will fix it as soon as possible !

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Re: Douglas DC-3 C47 - Dual Control

Postby F-JJTH » Mon Dec 26, 2011 10:00 pm

Hi,

I have often read that glass reflection is annoying. Currently the DC-3 using standard effect :
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  <animation>
    <type>shader</type>
    <shader>chrome</shader>
    <texture>Aircraft/Generic/Effects/glass_shader.png</texture>
    <object-name>glasses</object-name>
  </animation>


And has the possibility to disable this effect with "DC3/C47 Options" GUI. But I would like to improve this effect.
My question is : Can you tell me which glasses reflection do you like ? (give me a example: aircraft, screenshot, without effect...)

Thanks to all

And some news of improvement by PAF team :
- New overhead resize more realist
- Fix glass bug reported by Alral
- New hydraulic instrument
- New radio system
- New window more realist
- New texture High Resolution
- Paratroopers door opening by the interior

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Re: Douglas DC-3 C47 - Dual Control

Postby gooneybird » Mon Dec 26, 2011 10:37 pm

Is this the same as the model in Emmanuel's hanger or do we now have two versions :?: :?

You can download the last stable release from PAF team in our Hangar


How do you download from here, I'm not seeing any download links in Firefox :?:
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Re: Douglas DC-3 C47 - Dual Control

Postby dvanmosselbeen » Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:38 pm

@gooneybird
The glass effect applied to the (glass)windows, the (glass)instruments etc are generic. But indeed, most of helijah's aircraft make use of this "generic" glass effect as well as many other aircraft. The effect just do some magics with an image located at fgdata/Aircraft/Generic/Effects/glass_shader.png (btw, you can alter it to get ride of it). On some windows, instruments etc it give more or less a good effect. But most of the the time, it's just somethings very annoying like you may have seen :/ The idea/system is good, maybe is it time to refine the image?? Personally, i tried some tweaks on it but couldn't get somethings good yet.

About the download link, click on the link "> Télécharger / Download <" on your right side of the Douglas DC-3 C47 bullet list

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Re: Douglas DC-3 C47 - Dual Control

Postby El Flauta » Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:49 pm

My approach to glass effect on my models is simple, and in my humble opinion, works fine: I use the generic chrome effect, but only in a single-sided "glass" material. So, the effect is visible only from outside; people inside cockpit don't advice the effect... and they are not bothered for it.

The chrome effect is annoying only with a double-sided object, which make it visible from inside (with some hard & strange light lines) and outside.
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Re: Douglas DC-3 C47 - Dual Control

Postby F-JJTH » Tue Dec 27, 2011 12:17 am

gooneybird wrote in Mon Dec 26, 2011 10:37 pm:Is this the same as the model in Emmanuel's hanger or do we now have two versions :?: :?

Since the helijah model is under GPL we use the model made by helijah but we have brought many of improvement. So our version is more sophisticated than version available in helijah Hangar.
Now the PAF team has his own hangar with many aircraft which we have more or less improved. But the original author stays. It's just we take an aircraft, we improve it and we diffuse it so you have the choice to use the basic version from helijah hangar (in case of helijah models) or our sophisticated version from PAF hangar when available.
A good comparaison is << Mercedes-Benz made a car, then AMG improves this car >> she stays an Mercedes-Benz but improved by AMG ;)
EDIT : we have also planned to improve other aircraft from different author.

@dvanmosselbeen : Thanks for your precisions. I hope Gooneybird will find the link now

@El Fauta : Thanks for your opinion. And for glass instruments what is your opinion ? Can you tell me an aircraft who use your glass effect technique in order to test it ? Thanks you

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Re: Douglas DC-3 C47 - Dual Control

Postby gooneybird » Tue Dec 27, 2011 12:25 am

dvanmosselbeen wrote in Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:38 pm:About the download link, click on the link "> Télécharger / Download <" on your right side of the Douglas DC-3 C47 bullet list


The problem is I have no links, here's the page source for the "Douglas DC-3 C47 : > Télécharger / Download <" section of the web page, as you can see there are no links :?
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<span style="font-size: 18px; line-height: normal;"><font color="green">Douglas DC-3 C47 :</font> &gt; Télécharger / Download &lt;</span>


EDIT : Thank you for the explanation Clément, now I understand.
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Re: Douglas DC-3 C47 - Dual Control

Postby F-JJTH » Tue Dec 27, 2011 12:46 am

Ooops I'm absolutely sorry gooneybird this is my fault. In the forum administration the option "Hide external links for visitors" was enabled ! Now I've disabled it so you can see the link ;)
Sorry for that, I hope you will forgive me :D

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Re: Douglas DC-3 C47 - Dual Control

Postby gooneybird » Tue Dec 27, 2011 12:50 am

You are forgiven :wink: :lol:
Downloading now, thank you :D
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Re: Douglas DC-3 C47 - Dual Control

Postby Alral » Tue Dec 27, 2011 1:09 pm

About that window bug...
Downloaded from the link on the previous page. As far as I can see, you can now see the window glowing while looking from inside, but not when from outside. Shouldn't be vice versa?
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