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Partial reflection of the cockpit in PA-28 windscreen

Postby Robertfm » Sat Mar 14, 2020 7:46 pm

Split off from the topic Where is the rain?


I have put these pictures here as the shadowing happened after I updated with the rain. On the left it is a partial reflection of the cockpit. Never seen that before.
Edit: Having looked closer it isn't a shadow of this cockpit so even weirder.

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Re: Where is the rain?

Postby Robertfm » Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:21 pm

Another picture. This is weird, I exited the sim and re started and it was still there.

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Re: Where is the rain?

Postby Johan G » Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:43 pm

That is a feature not a bug. :wink: That is a reflection modeled by the ALS internal cockpit reflection. Basically it mimics the same phenomenon as that annoying reflection of the dashboard you often see in the windshield while driving a car. :P
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Re: Where is the rain?

Postby Robertfm » Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:46 pm

It has never been there before the latest update for the rain, so was it modelled at the same time. To be honest it's bloody awful.
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Re: Where is the rain?

Postby wkitty42 » Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:30 pm

maybe the devs can tone it down a little bit to maybe be more reasonable? plus, if it is actually as rough looking as it seems, then there's some 3D cleanup work to be done on the dash... but overall, kudos to the devs for adding more realism to the craft! even if it may still need some more love and attention... at least they're willing and able to work on it ;)
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Re: Where is the rain?

Postby Thorsten » Sun Mar 15, 2020 7:37 am

To be honest it's bloody awful.


Yes, things like internal reflections, glare of the sun in fogged or iced surfaces or rain droplets are a real nuisance in reality, because they deteriorate your view quite dramatically. So generally we're happy to introduce them to the sim which forces you to the correct responses - use heating, windshield wipers and tone down internal light to get rid of reflections at night.

(Very few planes have them, so if you don't like that kind of realism, you should have no trouble finding a different plane).
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Re: Where is the rain?

Postby Robertfm » Sun Mar 15, 2020 10:40 am

Why am I not surprised your response Thorston, 'if you don't like it tough'. Not the contrast with wkitty42's reply. Suggesting that modifications can be done.
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Re: Where is the rain?

Postby Maerchenprinz » Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:17 am

Der RobartFM,

FG is a simulator, not convenient food.
I like it tough!

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Re: Where is the rain?

Postby SurferTim » Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:31 am

Is this reflection feature implemented by aircraft or globally?
I have about everything enabled that I can select, and I don't have this problem with the DHC-6 or the Citation-X.
Of course the first thing I do is turn off any interior lights, especially the Twin Otter.

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Re: Where is the rain?

Postby Robertfm » Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:49 am

Tim, the effect has only occurred since the update with the rain feature. I looked at the ALS link above and it would seem that these effects are not mutually inclusive. So the rain effects don't have to have the reflective effect. I also have to say if real planes have this much reflection at night then they are a positive danger when flying at night. The view to the sides is severely restricted.
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Re: Where is the rain?

Postby SurferTim » Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:54 am

I like flying the sim at night, and do regularly. That would be a problem. Do you have any interior lights on?

Edit: I see rain on my windscreens (front and sides) as I mentioned above. No reflections tho.
If this phenomenon started with the windscreen rain modification, then it is probably by aircraft, not globally.

I lied. I do have reflections, but only when and where they should be. With interior overhead light off, no reflections at night.
I am sitting at St Maarten in the DHC-6 with the sunlight streaming in the right window. I see a dim reflection of the cockpit in the left window.
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Re: Where is the rain?

Postby Thorsten » Sun Mar 15, 2020 12:25 pm

Suggesting that modifications can be done.


Of course modifications can be done - you can dumb down every FDM so that anyone can fly it, you can add cool-looking video game aesthetics like lens flare and motion blur to FG, you can make the stars so bright they give you a stunning night sky as you can see from ISS.

It's just not the point of developing a simulation. A simulation aims to get close to reality, and in reality sunglare in frozen windows or distracting reflections are very much a nuisance - reality is sometimes pretty, but rather often unassuming and sometimes downright dangerous.

I also have to say if real planes have this much reflection at night then they are a positive danger when flying at night. The view to the sides is severely restricted.


Yes - that is why they dim interior lights when flying at night in reality - cockpits are kept dark and gauges are only dimly illuminated to avoid these reflections and have good eye adaption when looking outside.

You can try it in your car - select a dark road and keep the overhead light on. :mrgreen:
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Re: Where is the rain?

Postby Robertfm » Sun Mar 15, 2020 12:42 pm

I will try dimming the cockpit lights, on the plane you can do it. On many others you can't. I will see what effect it has.

Edit: Just switched to night, then switched off lights completely and reflection still very prominent.
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Re: Where is the rain?

Postby Maerchenprinz » Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:13 pm

Hello!

I just wrote a sloppy reply because I thought this discussion is really senseless anyway; I still believe it is, except that it may serve to clarify one important point, which Thorsten already wrote about:
FG IS a simulator and is MEANT TO BE!
And a rose is a rose is a rose... We do not feel the need to ask "Why doesn't it taste salty?" or "Why doesn't it make grungy noises?".
wkitty pointed out that the extent of the effect may be cross checked with real life experience to serve realism, not to make it less annoying - actually, these "annoyances" are called "challenges" in a flight SIMULATOR, and they make my heart beat harder whenever I see them, and even harder when I meet them and make me try again when I don't.

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Re: Where is the rain?

Postby Thorsten » Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:23 pm

Just switched to night, then switched off lights completely and reflection still very prominent.


vs.

I do have reflections, but only when and where they should be. With interior overhead light off, no reflections at night.


Two people, two different experiences... Try to find out what's different for you then. If implemented correctly, the reflections should disappear with lights.
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