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747 end of an era in aviation history

Postby QF52 » Wed Dec 23, 2009 12:40 pm

hey guys
just found this video its of the 747's developments over the years and it was made to say goodbye to the partial doubledeck era
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKKIYCqNSsg
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http://book.qantas.com.au/pl/QFOnline/w ... ENT=Airbus Industrie A380-800&EQUIPMENT_CODE=388&DURATION=0
Yes if you hear this it's true im modeling the Sydney Opera House
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Re: 747 end of an era in aviation history

Postby MAKG » Wed Dec 23, 2009 3:43 pm

The end of the 747? Don't believe every Airbus promotional you read.

The 747-8 model is in the design stage now. It ain't dead yet.
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Re: 747 end of an era in aviation history

Postby Quadunit404 » Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:06 pm

747 =/= dying. One word: 747-8.

...Technically it's two words, but it's combined into one word so I'm counting it as one word.
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Re: 747 end of an era in aviation history

Postby HJ1AN » Thu Dec 24, 2009 4:12 am

I recalled the only reason the 747 has an upper deck is because it was originally designed to be a (military?) cargo jet, with a front opening, which requires the cockpit to be located at the top. Since they turned the design into a wide body commercial jet, the cockpit being on top also has the advantage of allowing more seats at the nose of the plane, and with some space for a lounge / first class seating behind the cockpit. Apparently it helped with the aerodynamic as well the more they stretch the top allowing seats for the upper deck so that was sort of a bonus.

It seemed to make more sense to use a double decked plane for high capacity flights than a single/partial deck one so Boeing has really lost some advantage it had with its 747s. Even the -8 improvements does not look that impressive from a layman point of view compared to a doubled decked behemoth.

However, I don't want to be on a cancelled A380 flight for whatever reasons... imagine having to find hotel rooms with another 500+ passengers doing the same thing !!

http://nycaviation.com/2009/12/15/air-f ... assengers/

(Same with a 747 in fact, but at least there will be less waiting by a hundred pax or so)
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Re: 747 end of an era in aviation history

Postby MAKG » Thu Dec 24, 2009 5:10 am

The 747-100 borrowed a number of things from the C-17 project, but it's a very different aircraft. The original 747 design borrowed some ideas from a proposal for the C-5, but Boeing didn't win the contract.

It was intended to be a CARGO aircraft, which it still is. Some of the all-cargo variants have a front opening. The Combi's don't.

A more impressive factoid is that the 747 was intended to be a stopgap for a few years as Boeing ramped up production of supersonic transport, which was ultimately cancelled a few years later. It's been a 35 year stopgap....
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Re: 747 end of an era in aviation history

Postby HJ1AN » Thu Dec 24, 2009 5:37 am

MAKG wrote:The 747-100 borrowed a number of things from the C-17 project, but it's a very different aircraft. The original 747 design borrowed some ideas from a proposal for the C-5, but Boeing didn't win the contract.


Yes, you're correct! I knew I might have missed some details. Well, my point was that the 747 was born out of a basic design that was intended for development of something else. Since they needed to come up with something fast, they just borrowed a design from the stores lol instead of having to come up from scratch again.

A more impressive factoid is that the 747 was intended to be a stopgap for a few years as Boeing ramped up production of supersonic transport, which was ultimately cancelled a few years later. It's been a 35 year stopgap....


I didn't know that - but apparently the 747 bought the company so much profit they didn't see the need to design a new jet..
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Re: 747 end of an era in aviation history

Postby QF52 » Sun Dec 27, 2009 1:15 am

the meaning of this video is that its saying goodbye to her record hold for about 40-50 years
she is only queen of the sky now
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Re: 747 end of an era in aviation history

Postby Quadunit404 » Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:30 am

Well I just found out that the final 744s have been delivered (the last passenger 744 was delivered in December 2007 and the last freighter 744 was delivered this year), which means that Boeing is getting ready for the launch of the 747-8.

Also, the 747 held onto the record of the world's largest passenger aircraft for 35 years.
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Re: 747 end of an era in aviation history

Postby QF52 » Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:18 am

lets see how long the A380 holds it then we may see the AN-225 Passenger edition =D
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Re: 747 end of an era in aviation history

Postby Liam » Wed Dec 30, 2009 3:42 pm

Personally I think the A380 is late in arrival, either that or the 747 was well ahead of its time. Either way, im sure this could have been produced a while back and even better things produced. It seems rather odd to me that concorde was so long ago, alongside the 747. Just makes you realise how unpredictable the future of aviation will be. Perhaps we will go back even further and all fly in wright brothers aircraft, known as the "eco-friendly flier" or something rediculous :lol: :roll:. I like to think that they will get bigger, quieter and faster. Perhaps we will see "air-cruise-liners" ;). Then again cruise liners on the ocean are no longer intended for travel purposes, yet for comfort and hotel-like vacations, so why would we need all that stuff. Who knows, maybe there will be greater variety of aircraft in the future, slow huge and comfortable, small and superfast. I'm pretty sure I just contradicted myself at least 3 times.
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Re: 747 end of an era in aviation history

Postby nickyivyca » Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:26 pm

At two posts above, there's only one An-225...

They also originally thought that the 747 was gonna die after about 400 because they though that everybody was wanting supersonic transports. Turns out that that was wrong and about 1000 more than predicted were made. It'll
be replaced with the Y3, with the 737 being replaced by the Y1 and the 767 is being replaced by the Y2, aka
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Re: 747 end of an era in aviation history

Postby HJ1AN » Mon Jan 11, 2010 8:27 am

Liam wrote:Personally I think the A380 is late in arrival, either that or the 747 was well ahead of its time. Either way, im sure this could have been produced a while back and even better things produced.


The 747 was quite ahead of its time, but I would say that it's actually exactly where it should be introduced. I'm not too sure about that an A380 sized plane could be built in the late 60s/70s. The A380 was only possible because of high-tech materials and building techniques, without which the A380 would be overweight - too large for itself and unable to carry the passenger load that it promises (even so, it was still slightly overweight when they finally built it). With new material and engine technology nowadays, they just barely built it to almost exactly what they expected it to do..

It seems rather odd to me that concorde was so long ago, alongside the 747. Just makes you realise how unpredictable the future of aviation will be.


The Concorde on the other hand was possible because it only had to go fast at the expense of number of passengers, and it was in an era when fighter planes like the SR-71 Blackbird were going faster & faster, so there was plenty of reference material and technology to build one. But it's achilles' heel was ridiculous cost of operation... which killed it eventually. :(

I'm pretty sure I just contradicted myself at least 3 times.


Lol yea it does seem so.
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Re: 747 end of an era in aviation history

Postby Bonjitomj » Fri Mar 12, 2010 1:55 am

Hey! But the 747-8i has just took to the sky. (with the 787). :D :lol:
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Re: 747 end of an era in aviation history

Postby simbabeat » Fri Mar 12, 2010 3:10 am

747 dead? Hardly the 747-400 is only in the middle of it's lifespan and it has another 15-20 god years in it's lifespan!
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Re: 747 end of an era in aviation history

Postby Quadunit404 » Fri Mar 12, 2010 4:38 am

I don't really see the A380 lasting all that long. I mean, only 16 airlines placed orders on the A380 (compared to the 23 for the 747-8), with 202 orders. When you have the biggest passenger aircraft in the world and not only is it failing to make a profit, but it also has 202 orders with many of those orders being canceled, you know there's something wrong with your aircraft.

Now go tell that to fachy1981 (one of the biggest Airbus fanboys ever, who spews out false facts about both Boeing and Airbus aircraft in attempt to make Airbus seem better but no matter what crap he spews out, nobody believes him) and see what he says :wink: (no not really, you don't have to do that if you don't want to, but do PM me if his reaction is funny :lol: )
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