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mpserver16 is heading for the boneyard

Postby truthsolo » Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:05 pm

I've been running mpserver16 on a personal server with a 10Gbps link for 10 years, and have also been hosting a full copy of the terrain/scenery data there. Early on, I ported fgms (the multiplayer server) to BSD and ran it there, until I was too busy to keep up with that and migrated it to a Linux system. I spent countless hours working on textures for liveries and cockpit details, some 3D modeling, and even tweaking the F/A-18 FDM to try to account for everything I could find in the NATOPS flight manual and various NASA documents. Some of this made it into FG, some of it did not—it took up a lot of my time, and eventually real life took over.

Alas, I have not had time to run FG in years. The only reason I've continued to pay for the server was to keep mpserver16 and the scenery mirror alive.

In the coming weeks mpserver16 and the scenery mirror hosted there will be taken offline.

As a side-note to FG admins: it may be worth moving your DNS to Cloudflare to take advantage of proxying your scenery mirrors through their systems, enabling them to cache assets and save you a ton of bandwidth. Over the past 2 years, mpserver16 has served over 25TB of scenery data, and it has been running a lot longer than that:
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Thanks for the sorties, and I wish the project continued success in the future.
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Re: mpserver16 is heading for the boneyard

Postby wlbragg » Thu Mar 23, 2023 2:19 am

Thank you for all you have done to support FlightGear. You truly are one of the unsung heroes of the project!
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Re: mpserver16 is heading for the boneyard

Postby MariuszXC » Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:59 am

I am a relative newcomer, but let me add my Thank You.

Alas, I have not had time to run FG in years.

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Re: mpserver16 is heading for the boneyard

Postby Torsten » Thu Mar 23, 2023 4:34 pm

Thank you for providing the service for so many years. We will definitely miss you!
Please let me know, when you finally take it down so I can remove you from the DNS settings.

FWIW, CloudFlare is not an option. Their TOS explicitly forbids usage as a distribution layer for binary assets.
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Re: mpserver16 is heading for the boneyard

Postby david.megginson » Thu Mar 23, 2023 4:39 pm

I pay for a server for OurAirports, and while it's not super expensive, it adds up over the years (especially if there's a lot of bandwidth). Thank you for all the time you maintained this.
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Re: mpserver16 is heading for the boneyard

Postby stuart » Thu Mar 23, 2023 4:56 pm

Thanks for all your contributions Rob.

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Postby dany93 » Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:20 pm

Thank you for your silent but very important contribution, Rob.

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Re: mpserver16 is heading for the boneyard

Postby Isaak » Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:47 pm

Thank you very much for all your commitment over the past years!
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Re: mpserver16 is heading for the boneyard

Postby Gijs » Thu Mar 23, 2023 7:32 pm

Let me add another massive thanks to you Rob!

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Re: mpserver16 is heading for the boneyard

Postby truthsolo » Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:45 pm

Torsten wrote in Thu Mar 23, 2023 4:34 pm:Please let me know, when you finally take it down so I can remove you from the DNS settings.

Will do!
Torsten wrote in Thu Mar 23, 2023 4:34 pm:FWIW, CloudFlare is not an option. Their TOS explicitly forbids usage as a distribution layer for binary assets.

That's a bummer on the free plan.. I see it now, ToS §2.8. I've been dealing with a custom Enterprise plan for too long there, which has different rules. Perhaps their R2 object storage would be beneficial, despite not being free for the dataset involved. I contemplated writing a worker to refresh all of the scenery data in R2, but again.. time. Might be a thing for some aspiring contributor :)
everyone else wrote:thanks, etc

Thanks for the thanks! I was happy to do it while I could. Much love for this project and everyone here.
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Re: mpserver16 is heading for the boneyard

Postby merspieler » Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:31 pm

Please DO NOT use cloudflare proxy for anything. They violate your users privacy by breaking open EVERY then no longer secure SSL/TLS connection. The worst part is, the users aren't even aware of that happening so you're pushing your users into privacy invasions they aren't even aware of.
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Re: mpserver16 is heading for the boneyard

Postby truthsolo » Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:11 pm

truthsolo wrote in Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:05 pm:In the coming weeks mpserver16 and the scenery mirror hosted there will be taken offline.

mpserver16 is now offline.
Thanks for everything!

merspieler wrote in Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:31 pm:Please DO NOT use cloudflare proxy for anything. They violate your users privacy by breaking open EVERY then no longer secure SSL/TLS connection. The worst part is, the users aren't even aware of that happening so you're pushing your users into privacy invasions they aren't even aware of.

FYI: the link in your signature redirects to a service using Cloudflare Proxy. I'd love to read a whitepaper about how CF is violating privacy and "breaking" TLS, given that they are PCI-DSS Level 1 certified, but that's not the topic of this thread. You are free to use what you wish.
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Re: mpserver16 is heading for the boneyard

Postby Parnikkapore » Sun Apr 16, 2023 9:59 am

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I'm pretty sure this is because Cloudflare has access to the unencrypted traffic (to do filtering, cache pages, reply on the site's behalf when the site is down, etc), and Who Knows What™ other things they could be doing with it.
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