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Cessna 172 is not starting

Postby namosca » Fri May 06, 2022 7:20 pm

Good morning/evening/night everyone!

I installed Flightgear 2020.3.12 some days ago from Manjaro Linux using pamac/AUR and was enjoying starting my Cessna 172 on it, following the checklist completely.

Since one or two days, however, if I try to start this aircraft, even if I am following the checklist step by step (including 6 primes), my propeller stops quickly after I release the magnetos from the "start" position. I have read a Cessna 172 POH that I found on internet and followed it, as well as followed the checklist on the program, and I'm stuck on that since then.

I have seen a thread similar to this (viewtopic.php?f=25&t=33130&start=15&hilit=172+172+start+172+startup) from some years ago the following tips were mentioned there:
1) Getting Flight Gear 2020.3.9. I have 2020.3.12, which seems the newest, and It didnt help
2) Checking airport altitude. My airport is EDDW, at 14 ft MSL, so I dont see why it would be a problem
3) Trying autostart. It also didnt work, saying that I should lean the mixture myself (it also once said something about flushing).

I also tried putting a lean mixture and openning the throttle (I read this on a Rod Machado book), pressing start again, then doing the official checklist again, but it didnt work.

I am wondering if this is a bug (but Im not fully convinced, as it was working 3 days ago), or if this is a real aircraft behaviour (in this case, what should I do?)

Thank you so much for your time!

Below you can see my log. What I tried doing on it was:
1) Using autostart (didnt work)
2) Following the checklist (didnt work)


Below is my exact system version when typing: fgfs -- version

FlightGear version: 2020.3.12
Revision:
Build-Id: none
Build-Type: Release
FG_ROOT=/usr/share/flightgear/data
FG_HOME=/home/gus_new/.fgfs
FG_SCENERY=/home/gus_new/.fgfs/TerraSync:/usr/share/flightgear/data/Scenery
SimGear version: 2020.3.12
OSG version: 3.6.5
PLIB version: 185


Here is my logfile (sorry, its too big so Im showing only what I guess will be relevant):

0.00 [WARN]:gui :0: Failed to load default (en) translations
0.00 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/main.cxx:609: FlightGear: Version 2020.3.12
0.00 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/main.cxx:610: FlightGear: Build Type Release
0.00 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/main.cxx:611: Built with GNU C++ version 11.2
0.00 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/main.cxx:612: Jenkins number/ID 0:none
0.00 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/options.cxx:3027: platform default fg_root = Path "/usr/share/flightgear/data"
0.01 [INFO]:input /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/globals.cxx:848: Reading user settings from Path "/home/gus_new/.fgfs/autosave_2020_3.xml"
0.04 [INFO]:navaid /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Navaids/NavDataCache.cxx:299: NavCache at:Path "/home/gus_new/.fgfs/navdata_2020_3.cache"
0.04 [INFO]:navaid /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Navaids/NavDataCache.cxx:302: NavCache read-only flags is:0
0.04 [INFO]:navaid /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Navaids/NavDataCache.cxx:1459: NavCache: no main cache rebuild required
0.04 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/fg_init.cxx:1506: init package root at:Path "/home/gus_new/.fgfs/Aircraft"
0.07 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/locale.cxx:177: Found language resource for: en_US
0.07 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/locale.cxx:327: Reading localized strings for 'en' from Path "/usr/share/flightgear/data/Translations/default/sys.xml"
0.07 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/locale.cxx:327: Reading localized strings for 'en' from Path "/usr/share/flightgear/data/Translations/default/atc.xml"
0.07 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/locale.cxx:327: Reading localized strings for 'en' from Path "/usr/share/flightgear/data/Translations/default/tips.xml"
0.07 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/locale.cxx:327: Reading localized strings for 'en' from Path "/usr/share/flightgear/data/Translations/default/weather-scenarios.xml"
6.08 [INFO]:input /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/options.cxx:2267: aircraft = c172p
6.08 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/fg_init.cxx:234: found aircraft in dir: /usr/share/flightgear/data/Aircraft/c172p
6.10 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/locale.cxx:177: Found language resource for: en_US
6.10 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/options.cxx:2608: option:enable-real-weather-fetch =
6.10 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/options.cxx:2608: option:prop = /nasal/local_weather/enabled=true
6.10 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/options.cxx:2608: option:prop = /sim/gui/dialogs/metar/mode/global-weather=false
6.10 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/options.cxx:2608: option:prop = /sim/gui/dialogs/metar/mode/local-weather=true
6.10 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/options.cxx:2608: option:prop = /sim/gui/dialogs/metar/mode/manual-weather=true
6.10 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/options.cxx:2608: option:prop = /local-weather/tmp/tile-management=METAR
6.10 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/options.cxx:2608: option:prop = /local-weather/tmp/tile-type=live
6.10 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/options.cxx:2608: option:timeofday = morning
6.10 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/options.cxx:2608: option:disable-rembrandt =
6.10 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/options.cxx:2608: option:prop = /sim/rendering/shaders/skydome=true
6.10 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/options.cxx:2608: option:prop = /sim/rendering/texture-cache/cache-enabled=false
6.10 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/options.cxx:2608: option:enable-fullscreen =
6.10 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/options.cxx:2608: option:enable-terrasync =
6.10 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/options.cxx:2608: option:enable-sentry =
6.10 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/options.cxx:2608: option:aircraft-dir = /usr/share/flightgear/data/Aircraft/c172p
6.10 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/options.cxx:2608: option:aircraft = c172p
6.10 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/options.cxx:2608: option:airport = EDDW
6.10 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/options.cxx:2608: option:fg-aircraft = /home/gus_new/.fgfs/Aircraft/org.flightgear.fgaddon.stable_2020/Aircraft
6.10 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/options.cxx:2608: option:launcher =
6.10 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/options.cxx:2631: Using default download dir: Path "/home/gus_new/.fgfs"
6.10 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/options.cxx:2654: Using default texture cache directory: Path "/home/gus_new/.fgfs/TextureCache"
6.10 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/options.cxx:2677: Using TerraSync dir: Path "/home/gus_new/.fgfs/TerraSync"
6.10 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/main.cxx:721: EmbeddedResourceManager: selected locale 'en_US'
6.10 [INFO]:opengl /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Viewer/fg_os_osgviewer.cxx:373: Using stock OSG implementation of GraphicsWindow
6.10 [INFO]:astro /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/simgear/src/simgear-2020.3.12/simgear/scene/sky/cloud.cxx:343: initializing cloud layers
6.22 [WARN]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/main.cxx:761: Enabling ATI/AMD viewport hack
6.22 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/fg_init.cxx:955: Configuration State
6.22 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/fg_init.cxx:956: ============= =====
6.22 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/fg_init.cxx:958: aircraft-dir = "/usr/share/flightgear/data/Aircraft/c172p"
6.22 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/fg_init.cxx:959: fghome-dir = "Path "/home/gus_new/.fgfs""
6.22 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/fg_init.cxx:960: download-dir = "/home/gus_new/.fgfs"
6.22 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/fg_init.cxx:961: terrasync-dir = "/home/gus_new/.fgfs/TerraSync"
6.22 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/fg_init.cxx:963: aircraft-search-paths =
/home/gus_new/.fgfs/Aircraft/org.flightgear.fgaddon.stable_2020/Aircraft
6.22 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/fg_init.cxx:964: scenery-search-paths =
/home/gus_new/.fgfs/TerraSync
/usr/share/flightgear/data/Scenery
6.31 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/GUI/gui.cxx:127: Intel Open Source Technology Center
6.31 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/GUI/gui.cxx:130: Mesa DRI Intel(R) HD Graphics 4400 (HSW GT2)
6.31 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/GUI/gui.cxx:133: 3.0 Mesa 21.3.8
6.31 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/GUI/gui.cxx:143: 1.30
6.31 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/GUI/gui.cxx:154: VertexAttribDivisor supported
6.34 [INFO]:view /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Viewer/splash.cxx:760: Splash screen progress loading-aircraft-list
6.34 [INFO]:view /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Viewer/renderer_legacy.cxx:1592: FGRenderer:: Maximum texture size 16384
6.35 [INFO]:terrasync /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/simgear/src/simgear-2020.3.12/simgear/scene/tsync/terrasync.cxx:476: Starting automatic scenery download/synchronization to '/home/gus_new/.fgfs/TerraSync'.
6.35 [INFO]:view /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Viewer/splash.cxx:760: Splash screen progress loading-nav-dat
6.37 [INFO]:view /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Viewer/splash.cxx:760: Splash screen progress init-scenery
6.38 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/fg_init.cxx:920: General Initialization
6.38 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/fg_init.cxx:921: ======= ==============
6.38 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/fg_init.cxx:930: FG_ROOT = "Path "/usr/share/flightgear/data""

6.39 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/positioninit.cxx:217: Attempting to set starting position from airport code EDDW heading 270
6.39 [INFO]:event /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/simgear/src/simgear-2020.3.12/simgear/timing/sg_time.cxx:88: Reading timezone info from: Path "/usr/share/flightgear/data/Timezone/zone.tab"
6.39 [INFO]:terrain /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Scenery/scenery.cxx:401: Selected scenery is tilecache
6.39 [INFO]:terrain /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Scenery/terrain_stg.cxx:243: FGStgTerrain::init - init tilemgr
6.39 [INFO]:terrain /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Scenery/tilemgr.cxx:180: Initializing Tile Manager subsystem.
6.39 [INFO]:terrain /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Scenery/tilecache.cxx:64: Initializing the tile cache.
6.39 [INFO]:terrain /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Scenery/tilecache.cxx:66: max cache size = 100
6.39 [INFO]:terrain /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Scenery/tilecache.cxx:68: current cache size = 0
6.39 [INFO]:terrain /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Scenery/tilecache.cxx:73: done with init()
6.39 [INFO]:view /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Viewer/splash.cxx:760: Splash screen progress finalize-position
6.45 [INFO]:view /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Viewer/splash.cxx:760: Splash screen progress creating-subsystems
6.45 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/fg_init.cxx:973: Creating Subsystems
6.45 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/fg_init.cxx:974: ======== ==========
[ I ommited a block of log here]

24.24 [INFO]:nasal /usr/share/flightgear/data/Nasal/seaport.nas:2: *** NEW LOCATION ***
24.25 [INFO]:nasal /usr/share/flightgear/data/Nasal/wildfire.nas:1190: Wildfire ... initialized.
24.39 [INFO]:nasal /usr/share/flightgear/data/Nasal/local_weather/local_weather.nas:4151: Loading local weather routines...
24.44 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/simgear/src/simgear-2020.3.12/simgear/canvas/elements/CanvasElement.cxx:255: addEventListener(/sim[0]/gui[0]/canvas[0], mousedown)
24.57 [WARN]:nasal /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Scripting/NasalSys.cxx:1705: ERROR: Cannot add listener to tied property /sim[0]/current-view[0]/heading-offset-deg[0]
24.62 [INFO]:nasal /usr/share/flightgear/data/Aircraft/c172p/Nasal/kma20.nas:56: KMA20 audio panel initialized
24.63 [INFO]:nasal /usr/share/flightgear/data/Aircraft/c172p/Nasal/engine.nas:25: Hobbs system stopped
24.63 [INFO]:nasal /usr/share/flightgear/data/Aircraft/c172p/Nasal/engine.nas:25: Hobbs system stopped
24.63 [INFO]:nasal /usr/share/flightgear/data/Aircraft/c172p/Nasal/engine.nas:421: Starter off
24.63 [INFO]:nasal /usr/share/flightgear/data/Aircraft/c172p/Nasal/ki266.nas:55: KI266 dme indicator #0 initialized
24.64 [INFO]:nasal /usr/share/flightgear/data/Aircraft/c172p/Nasal/electrical.nas:541: Electrical system initialized
24.68 [WARN]:nasal /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Scripting/NasalSys.cxx:1705: ERROR: Cannot add listener to tied property /instrumentation[0]/gps[0]/mode[0]
24.69 [INFO]:nasal /usr/share/flightgear/data/Aircraft/c172p/Nasal/clock.nas:170: Astro Tech LC-2 Chronometer Loaded
24.70 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Time/TimeManager.cxx:501: After TimeManager::setTimeOffset(): warp = 0
24.70 [INFO]:nasal /usr/share/flightgear/data/Nasal/route_manager.nas:159: creating default GPS FPDelegate
24.70 [WARN]:instruments/var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Instrumentation/gps.cxx:1330: empty GPS search query
24.70 [INFO]:autopilot /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Autopilot/route_mgr.cxx:855: route manager, current-wp is now -1
24.71 [INFO]:input /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Input/FGHIDEventInput.cxx:929: HID event input starting up
24.71 [INFO]:ai /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/AIModel/AIManager.cxx:287: loading scenario 'nimitz_demo'
24.71 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/fg_init.cxx:1214: Subsystems postinit took:16
24.71 [INFO]:general /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/fg_init.cxx:1223:

24.71 [INFO]:view /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Viewer/splash.cxx:760: Splash screen progress finalize-position
24.78 [INFO]:terrain /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Scenery/tilemgr.cxx:280: sched_tile: new tile entry for:8:3, 53:0

[ I ommited some of the log here]

43.88 [INFO]:terrain /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/simgear/src/simgear-2020.3.12/simgear/scene/tgdb/ReaderWriterSTG.cxx:740: Loading tile 3089321.stg
43.88 [INFO]:terrain /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/simgear/src/simgear-2020.3.12/simgear/scene/tgdb/ReaderWriterSTG.cxx:391: Loading stg file Path "/home/gus_new/.fgfs/TerraSync/Buildings/e000n50/e008n52/3089321.stg"
43.88 [INFO]:terrain /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/simgear/src/simgear-2020.3.12/simgear/scene/tgdb/ReaderWriterSTG.cxx:391: Loading stg file Path "/home/gus_new/.fgfs/TerraSync/Objects/e000n50/e008n52/3089321.stg"
43.88 [INFO]:terrain /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/simgear/src/simgear-2020.3.12/simgear/scene/tgdb/ReaderWriterSTG.cxx:391: Loading stg file Path "/home/gus_new/.fgfs/TerraSync/Terrain/e000n50/e008n52/3089321.stg"
45.71 [INFO]:aircraft /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Model/modelmgr.cxx:95: Adding model Models/Weather/lightning_combined.xml
46.65 [INFO]:nasal /usr/share/flightgear/data/Nasal/screen.nas:505: {copilot} Welcome aboard! Need help? Use 'Help -> Tutorials'.
71.37 [INFO]:nasal /usr/share/flightgear/data/Aircraft/c172p/Nasal/engine.nas:426: Starter on
71.83 [INFO]:nasal /usr/share/flightgear/data/Aircraft/Generic/kap140.nas:259: KAP140 power up
73.93 [INFO]:nasal /usr/share/flightgear/data/Aircraft/c172p/Nasal/engine.nas:22: Hobbs system started
73.93 [INFO]:nasal /usr/share/flightgear/data/Aircraft/c172p/Nasal/engine.nas:25: Hobbs system stopped
73.93 [INFO]:nasal /usr/share/flightgear/data/Aircraft/c172p/Nasal/engine.nas:22: Hobbs system started
73.94 [INFO]:nasal /usr/share/flightgear/data/Aircraft/c172p/Nasal/engine.nas:25: Hobbs system stopped
73.99 [INFO]:nasal /usr/share/flightgear/data/Aircraft/c172p/Nasal/engine.nas:22: Hobbs system started
73.99 [INFO]:nasal /usr/share/flightgear/data/Aircraft/c172p/Nasal/engine.nas:25: Hobbs system stopped
74.04 [INFO]:nasal /usr/share/flightgear/data/Aircraft/c172p/Nasal/engine.nas:22: Hobbs system started
74.04 [INFO]:nasal /usr/share/flightgear/data/Aircraft/c172p/Nasal/engine.nas:25: Hobbs system stopped
74.05 [INFO]:nasal /usr/share/flightgear/data/Aircraft/c172p/Nasal/engine.nas:22: Hobbs system started
74.05 [INFO]:nasal /usr/share/flightgear/data/Aircraft/c172p/Nasal/engine.nas:25: Hobbs system stopped
76.40 [INFO]:nasal /usr/share/flightgear/data/Aircraft/c172p/Nasal/engine.nas:421: Starter off
81.35 [INFO]:nasal /usr/share/flightgear/data/Aircraft/c172p/Nasal/engine.nas:85: Primer reset to 0
96.48 [WARN]:nasal /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Scripting/NasalSys.cxx:1705: ERROR: Cannot add listener to tied property /controls[0]/lighting[0]/nav-lights[0]
118.84 [INFO]:nasal /usr/share/flightgear/data/Aircraft/Generic/kap140.nas:264: KAP140 power lost
196.81 [WARN]:nasal /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Scripting/NasalSys.cxx:1705: ERROR: Cannot add listener to tied property /controls[0]/lighting[0]/beacon[0]
204.61 [INFO]:terrain /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Scenery/scenery.cxx:85: Got ground pick at lon = 8.80921deg, lat = 53.0473deg, elev = 4.19875m
225.42 [INFO]:terrain /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Scenery/scenery.cxx:85: Got ground pick at lon = 8.8092deg, lat = 53.0473deg, elev = 4.2018m
269.82 [INFO]:nasal /usr/share/flightgear/data/Aircraft/c172p/Nasal/engine.nas:426: Starter on
275.68 [INFO]:nasal /usr/share/flightgear/data/Aircraft/c172p/Nasal/engine.nas:421: Starter off
277.49 [INFO]:nasal /usr/share/flightgear/data/Aircraft/c172p/Nasal/engine.nas:426: Starter on
284.00 [INFO]:nasal /usr/share/flightgear/data/Aircraft/c172p/Nasal/engine.nas:421: Starter off
289.02 [INFO]:nasal /usr/share/flightgear/data/Aircraft/c172p/Nasal/engine.nas:85: Primer reset to 0
289.08 [INFO]:nasal /usr/share/flightgear/data/Aircraft/c172p/Nasal/engine.nas:426: Starter on
289.27 [INFO]:nasal /usr/share/flightgear/data/Aircraft/c172p/Nasal/engine.nas:391: Use the primer!
289.60 [INFO]:nasal /usr/share/flightgear/data/Aircraft/c172p/Nasal/engine.nas:391: Use the primer!
289.94 [INFO]:nasal /usr/share/flightgear/data/Aircraft/c172p/Nasal/engine.nas:391: Use the primer!
290.24 [INFO]:nasal /usr/share/flightgear/data/Aircraft/c172p/Nasal/engine.nas:391: Use the primer!
290.59 [INFO]:nasal /usr/share/flightgear/data/Aircraft/c172p/Nasal/engine.nas:391: Use the primer!
290.94 [INFO]:nasal /usr/share/flightgear/data/Aircraft/c172p/Nasal/engine.nas:391: Use the primer!
291.26 [INFO]:nasal /usr/share/flightgear/data/Aircraft/c172p/Nasal/engine.nas:391: Use the primer!
291.37 [INFO]:nasal /usr/share/flightgear/data/Aircraft/c172p/Nasal/engine.nas:421: Starter off
296.44 [INFO]:nasal /usr/share/flightgear/data/Aircraft/c172p/Nasal/engine.nas:85: Primer reset to 0
297.65 [INFO]:input /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/fg_scene_commands.cxx:74: Program exit requested.
297.65 [INFO]:nasal /usr/share/flightgear/data/Nasal/aircraft.nas:383: saving aircraft data to /home/gus_new/.fgfs/aircraft-data/c172p.xml
297.70 [INFO]:io /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Main/globals.cxx:893: Saving user settings to Path "/home/gus_new/.fgfs/autosave_2020_3.xml"
297.77 [INFO]:opengl /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Viewer/PUICamera.cxx:309: Deleting PUI camera
298.06 [INFO]:terrain /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Scenery/terrain_stg.cxx:264: FGStgTerrain::shutdown - shutdown tilemgr
298.07 [INFO]:terrain /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Scenery/terrain_stg.cxx:233: FGStgTerrain::dtor
298.76 [INFO]:input /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Input/FGHIDEventInput.cxx:944: HID event input shutting down
298.76 [INFO]:terrasync /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/simgear/src/simgear-2020.3.12/simgear/scene/tsync/terrasync.cxx:1093: Shutdown
299.08 [INFO]:systems /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Systems/electrical.cxx:365: Destroying elec system
299.08 [INFO]:terrain /var/tmp/pamac-build-gus_new/flightgear/src/flightgear-2020.3.12/src/Scenery/SceneryPager.cxx:42: Destroying scenery pager
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Re: Cessna 172 is not starting

Postby TheEagle » Fri May 06, 2022 7:55 pm

The log file says "Use the primer!" - did you try that ? (You have to prime up to 4 times AFAIK)
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Re: Cessna 172 is not starting

Postby namosca » Fri May 06, 2022 8:21 pm

TheEagle wrote in Fri May 06, 2022 7:55 pm:The log file says "Use the primer!" - did you try that ? (You have to prime up to 4 times AFAIK)

Yes, I did follow every single step of the checklist, including the 6 primes (even though its not stated on the log). I even could see the prime count at 6 when I hovered my mouse over the primer.

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Re: Cessna 172 is not starting  

Postby MariuszXC » Fri May 06, 2022 9:03 pm

Just to make sure go to menu->Cessna172p->Aircraft Options
enable damage, click repair, disable damage.
This should take care of any strange state the AC might be in.
You might also try to remove the $HOME/.fgfs directory entirely but this is kind of a long shot (since you installed a very old FG 3.9.12 first, the current stable you have may see some 'strange' data there, but it is only a guess).
Other than that:
- fuel in tanks (Menu>Equipment>Fuel and Payload)
- fuel selector to 'both'
- battery switch ON
- mixture at 95%-100%
- throttle at 30%
- magnetos BOTH
- prime three times
- press 's' and hold for a second or two.

That is it. Works every time.
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Re: Cessna 172 is not starting

Postby TheEagle » Fri May 06, 2022 9:27 pm

DON'T remove the complete .fgfs directory ! at least not yet. Instead, if none of the other things Mariusz pointed out help, try deleting the $HOME/.fgfs/aircraft-data/c172p.xml file - this will reset the aircraft to "factory state".
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Re: Cessna 172 is not starting

Postby wlbragg » Fri May 06, 2022 11:44 pm

Were there any nasal "errors" in the section of the log you omitted? If auto start isn't working, then I suspect something is wrong or broken.
There was a version a long ways back that had an issue where the key skipped the mag turning on unless you physically stepped through the key positions. I doubt you have that version though. Any unrelated nasal error could account for this behavior though.
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Re: Cessna 172 is not starting

Postby ludomotico » Sat May 07, 2022 11:03 am

You have received some technical recommendations, let me recall you about some other less technical things you could check :

- You must push the primer between 3 and 5 times, or something similar. Less pushes and there is not enough fuel in the cylinder. More pushes and the cylinder is flooded with fuel. Yes, this is a very sensitive engine, like its real life counterpart. In real life, you'll notice a "force feedback": you stop before the force you need to push the lever is uncomfortably high. There is not such feedback in a simulator, unfortunately.

- The C172, unlike most other aircraft in FlightGear, remembers the state of the battery and the fuel deposit (among many other things). Have you checked you've got fuel in the deposit? Is your battery charged?

Click on "help->c172->repair" to repair most of these little things. This would be similar to removing the $HOME/.fgfs/aircraft-data/c172p.xml file , as suggested above.
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Re: Cessna 172 is not starting

Postby namosca » Sat May 07, 2022 6:25 pm

MariuszXC wrote in Fri May 06, 2022 9:03 pm:Just to make sure go to menu->Cessna172p->Aircraft Options
enable damage, click repair, disable damage.
This should take care of any strange state the AC might be in.
You might also try to remove the $HOME/.fgfs directory entirely but this is kind of a long shot (since you installed a very old FG 3.9.12 first, the current stable you have may see some 'strange' data there, but it is only a guess).
Other than that:
- fuel in tanks (Menu>Equipment>Fuel and Payload)
- fuel selector to 'both'
- battery switch ON
- mixture at 95%-100%
- throttle at 30%
- magnetos BOTH
- prime three times
- press 's' and hold for a second or two.

That is it. Works every time.



Hi, friend!

Yes, you got the answer! I just had to click the repair button and everything was allright :)

Wow, what an experience! :)

I wonder if I enabled it by myself, or if its the default...

I think that for beginners it would be helpful default to get a text saying that there is a damage (and where) so they don't feel so lost as me on their first day :)

Of course experts should be able of disabling this warning as they are supposed to know what they are doing :)

Thanks for your help!!
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Re: Cessna 172 is not starting

Postby TheEagle » Sat May 07, 2022 6:48 pm

Great that it finally works ! Please don't forget to mark the topic as solved using the small green checkmark button at the top-right of any post ! :wink:
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Re: Cessna 172 is not starting

Postby MariuszXC » Sat May 07, 2022 7:05 pm

namosca wrote in Sat May 07, 2022 6:25 pm:I just had to click the repair button and everything was allright :)
Thanks for your help!!


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