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Fixes and Navaids, again

Postby DuaneBarry » Mon Aug 08, 2022 8:51 am

Howdy.
I found all these posts:

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=27429&start=15
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=27813
https://sourceforge.net/p/flightgear/ma ... /35716882/
viewtopic.php?t=34168&p=338373#p338610

but I come back to the subject because probably not being English my native language I have difficulty understanding the situation.
That's why I try to recap.
If one wants to update the list of fixes and navaids in Flightgear can:
Pay for access to Navigraph, download them and put them in the custom scenery directory, or compile the files by hand by taking the list of fixes and navaids from an unspecified source and putting them in the custom scenery directory, right?
So there is no simple and free "as in beer" way for Flighgear to have updated fixes and navaids?
Free to contradict me if I have said things that are not true.
Thank you.
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Re: Fixes and Navaids, again

Postby polly » Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:43 am

This, bud, is for you:
https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/flight_info/aeronav/aero_data/NASR_Subscription/

I don't hink anyone has found comparable free data for outside of FAA's purview.
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Re: Fixes and Navaids, again

Postby unhappytroll » Mon Aug 08, 2022 1:03 pm

I think, FG use old XPlane format for those files, current Navigraph files for XP11 may not be usable without some conversion anyway
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Re: Fixes and Navaids, again

Postby DuaneBarry » Mon Aug 08, 2022 1:29 pm

Thank you all.
But does the FAA link also include Italian soil?
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Re: Fixes and Navaids, again

Postby polly » Mon Aug 08, 2022 1:38 pm

No.

While I was writing xmly:

https://github.com/bitwisetech/xmly

I noted a few sources for sites related to approach / departure coordinates ( at the bottom of the file under --help arg )

and for a while I was registered on EAD:

https://www.ead.eurocontrol.int/cms-eadbasic/opencms/en/login/ead-basic/

It may be worth registring with them to see if there are better data offered nowadays .

Edit: My registration is still good, it looks like PDF's and charrts only.
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Re: Fixes and Navaids, again

Postby V12 » Mon Aug 08, 2022 6:25 pm

unhappytroll wrote in Mon Aug 08, 2022 1:03 pm:I think, FG use old XPlane format for those files, current Navigraph files for XP11 may not be usable without some conversion anyway

You can download data for X - Plane 10 :

Image

These data works without any modification. Download .zip file, extract *.dat files, remove earth_ from filenames, then use gzip and overwrite default data. In my case it works perfectly. I tested it some minutes ago.
All freeware nav data are obsolete, or incomplet. Searching for fresh freeware data is a waste of time. For procedures You can download LEVEL D data and distribute it into proper folders. Example is at viewtopic.php?p=397956#p397956
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Re: Fixes and Navaids, again

Postby unhappytroll » Mon Aug 08, 2022 6:45 pm

oh, thank you for the idea. I did forgot that AIRAC package contains XP10 info, indeed it does.
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Re: Fixes and Navaids, again

Postby unhappytroll » Mon Aug 08, 2022 7:47 pm

but LEVEL D data is not all working, because of need to change airport data? F.e. GCTS is 08/26 in the FG files, but AIRAC list it as 07/25, thus some procedures (including approaches probably) for 07 is not showed in list.

upd. it's work sometimes, but inconsistently on 2020.3.13. sometimes it does not load all navpoints in the plan, but show all proper SIDs and STARS - but then you select them (or, they may be selected already by game or from LNM export file) route manager does not add them points to the route and not showing them on the map.
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Re: Fixes and Navaids, again

Postby V12 » Mon Aug 08, 2022 8:36 pm

Yes, You are right. Not all procedures works. If the airport is too old and has old runway designation, then new data will not work. But better than nothing.
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Re: Fixes and Navaids, again

Postby unhappytroll » Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:01 pm

Example.
link for LNM route file
link for exported FG route file

how it is work (not) in 2020.3.13 :


Route manager bugged af.
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Re: Fixes and Navaids, again

Postby V12 » Wed Aug 10, 2022 8:31 am

Main problem is at destination. In the current AIRAC Tenerife South has runways 07 and 25, but airport in FGFS has runways 07 and 25. Runway data in FGFS are obsolete. I'm not sure, if I remember correctly, developers implemented some solution for manual runway designation update in additional XML file. But probably this feature is available only in development version 2020.4.X

EDIT :
Check viewtopic.php?p=391929#p391929
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Re: Fixes and Navaids, again

Postby unhappytroll » Sat Aug 13, 2022 8:11 am

2020.4 for Windows when?
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Re: Fixes and Navaids, again

Postby wkitty42 » Sat Aug 13, 2022 9:52 am

unhappytroll wrote in Sat Aug 13, 2022 8:11 am:2020.4 for Windows when?

whenever that version in NEXT is released for general use, it will not be called 2020.4... in the mean time, there is already windows and mac versions available and linux systems can build their own quite easily... and there's also an appimage for those that prefer to use that method of acquiring and running FG...
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