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Space Shuttle surprise visit

Postby dg-505 » Sun Mar 08, 2020 4:39 pm

Split off from the topic Submit your screenshot for the SOTM of March 2020


dg-505 wrote in Sat Mar 07, 2020 9:59 am:It's called STOL
[Screenshot of the Month Contest Entry]

Thorsten wrote in Sat Mar 07, 2020 5:23 pm:Oh no you didn't!!!

Marsdolphin wrote in Sun Mar 08, 2020 2:03 am:The most STOL aircraft I've ever seen is the Space Shuttle...
:D :D :D

Thorsten wrote in Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:51 am:It sure is a STO, but the L part takes LOTS of space, be assured of that...

Maerchenprinz wrote in Sun Mar 08, 2020 4:27 pm:So it is a STOLL, right?

You mean "Short takeoff, long landing" ? :lol:
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Re: Submit your screenshot for the SOTM of March 2020

Postby Marsdolphin » Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:53 am

dg-505 wrote in Sun Mar 08, 2020 4:39 pm:You mean "Short takeoff, long landing" ? :lol:

Yes, of course!
The shuttle needs 0m for takeoff and 2800m for landing...
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Re: Submit your screenshot for the SOTM of March 2020

Postby Johan G » Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:16 am

dg-505 wrote in Sun Mar 08, 2020 4:39 pm:
Maerchenprinz wrote in Sun Mar 08, 2020 4:27 pm:So it is a STOLL
You mean "Short takeoff, long landing" ? :lol:

Must be! :lol: :lol:
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Re: Submit your screenshot for the SOTM of March 2020

Postby eatdirt » Sat Apr 18, 2020 4:39 pm

You mean "Short takeoff, long landing" ? :lol:


Well, it can also be short crash landing, or rather short land crashing!? :D

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I had to try :P
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PS: it only works after flying a few feet over the water for a while to loose speed and rising again at the right time to then crash onto the carrier.
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Re: Submit your screenshot for the SOTM of March 2020

Postby Johan G » Sun Apr 19, 2020 11:04 am

Huh!??! :shock: :lol: :lol: :mrgreen:

Having seen how well the Shuttle FDM match a lot of data, I guess it technically could have managed a carrier landing (though I am quite sure NASA or the US Air Force would never have allowed to operate with such small safety margins).
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Re: Submit your screenshot for the SOTM of March 2020

Postby wlbragg » Sun Apr 19, 2020 2:33 pm

Chris, you did not really land the Shuttle on the Carrier, did you? Must I remind you FlightGear and the Shuttle are not toys put here just for your amusement, how disappointing!

Na, I'm really only disappointed I didn't think to try it first, ha! :idea: :lol:
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Re: Submit your screenshot for the SOTM of March 2020

Postby eatdirt » Sun Apr 19, 2020 3:40 pm

I am quite sure NASA or the US Air Force would never have allowed to operate with such small safety margins


So do I ;)
I had to try tens of times to find the right moment / luck to pull up for making the last crashing jump. The correct procedure is called "bailed out", you just abandon and let the Shuttle crashing in the water. That's clearly better than destroying both the Shuttle, the carrier, plus killing a few astronauts and sailors around :D

Must I remind you FlightGear and the Shuttle are not toys put here just for your amusement, how disappointing!

Lol :)

There is still one thing I did not manage to do yet, that is to do the same strategy, namely make a crash land with the Shuttle, there:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courchevel_Altiport

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Re: Submit your screenshot for the SOTM of March 2020

Postby WoodSTokk » Sun Apr 19, 2020 4:12 pm

What comes next ? Lukla ???
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Re: Space Shuttle surprise visit

Postby eatdirt » Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:39 pm

What comes next ? Lukla ???


Cool, I did not know that one!! ;)
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Re: Space Shuttle surprise visit

Postby Thorsten » Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:10 am

Having seen how well the Shuttle FDM match a lot of data, I guess it technically could have managed a carrier landing


Well, I can see how a correctly timed pull-up defers a stall long enough to touch down with relatively small velocity (I guess we're still marginally flying at ~170 kt, so you could perhaps touch down at 150 (?) - what I don't see is how you can come to a stop in such a short time. I suppose you could smash the gear and use the larger friction of the underbelly, but even with drag chute and brakes out, the distance seems very short.
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Re: Space Shuttle surprise visit

Postby wlbragg » Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:59 am

Sure, lets just add a hook!
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Re: Space Shuttle surprise visit

Postby GinGin » Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:09 pm

Ahah very nice :)

You can try Paro also

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Re: Space Shuttle surprise visit

Postby eatdirt » Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:41 pm

So you could perhaps touch down at 150 (?) - what I don't see is how you can come to a stop in such a short time


It is really a crash with almost no forward velocity, I am pulling up just before stall speed, actually quite far from the back of the carrier, then the shuttle climbs up and fall down like a stone. That's also why it has this huge pitch on the first picture, I cannot control anything after the pulling out. So realistically, I suspect most of the energy is in vertical velocity and it should be seriously destroyed, as well as the carrier on impact!
Anyway, within flightgear, that's the only way I've found to not overcome such a short runway, which sort of make sense as well! [not in terms of visual damage for sure :)]

I've just tested the method on Lukla, it works, got a crash land on the runway with 13fps of vertical velocity and 300 ft of length!! That's even easier because there is a lot of space "under" the runway to make the pulling up. I'll make a video if I succeed a second time, let's hope for the best :)

Cheers,
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Re: Space Shuttle surprise visit

Postby eatdirt » Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:49 pm

Here we go at Lukla airport.

I am sorry, I am a bit off in the grass and I blew up a tire. On the bright side, it's already parked, and that is quite important because it's going to stay there for a while :)

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Here a short video of that landing, the exterior views are from the recorded tape and they do lag, sorry about that, but I think the idea is pretty clear anyway :mrgreen:

LUKLA.webm

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Re: Space Shuttle surprise visit

Postby MouseMaster » Wed May 27, 2020 8:55 pm

This is some of the maddest stuff I've ever seen. Thanks for the laughs.
The landing technique on the carrier is straight out of that Midway movie.
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