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How to get SIDs and STARs in Airbus A320 mcdu

Postby Delta5142 » Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:15 am

Hi All!
I was wondering how to get the SIDs and STARs in the Airbus A320 Family mcdu. Whenever I click on the departure airport in the flight plan page, it always says "No Sid" and an empty list of sids. It is the same story when I'm trying to get an arrival. I've also noticed that the same thing can be done with the Boeing 777. Do I have to download anything? I don't know if this is going to be helpful, but I operate Flightgear 2020.1.2 on a Mac. :D

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Re: How to get SIDs and STARs in Airbus A320 mcdu

Postby V12 » Mon Sep 07, 2020 4:45 am

You can buy Navigraph subscription for FMS data and use Level-D procedures. You need copy procedures into Your scenery folder for example ICAOproc\Airports\K\J\F\kjfk.procedures.xml for JFK airport.

Or You can use some free procedures created by forum users, somewhere are links for download.
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Re: How to get SIDs and STARs in Airbus A320 mcdu

Postby sfaber83 » Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:17 pm

V12 wrote in Mon Sep 07, 2020 4:45 am:You can buy Navigraph subscription for FMS data and use Level-D procedures. You need copy procedures into Your scenery folder for example ICAOproc\Airports\K\J\F\kjfk.procedures.xml for JFK airport.

Or You can use some free procedures created by forum users, somewhere are links for download.



Where they are?
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Re: How to get SIDs and STARs in Airbus A320 mcdu

Postby Simworld2020 » Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:51 am

Where they are?


For airports in the USA, you can make your own RNAV SID files for use in the Route Manager. Its a bit of work to make a SID/STAR file that route manager will fly for you, but maybe worth it if you don't have another way to get SIDS or STARS.

Skyvector.com has all of the PDF files available for the SIDS and STARS for USA airports. You can view or download these PDF procedures.
On each procedure you can see all the GPS waypoints for the procedure.
You can then enter the waypoints in the flight plan route box inside Skyvector's 'flight plan' dialog box.
Skyvector will then plot the waypoints of the SID or STAR and put them on the map.
You can then save the waypoints in a .gpx file that the Flightgear Route Manager knows how to read.

Then when you fly and want to use that sid or star, you can tell Route Manager to load it, and your autopilot will fly it for you.

Notes:
1. These SID/ STAR files by default give you only lateral guidance. You will have to modify them to get altitude control or you will have to manage your own climb/descent rate as the autopilot flies the procedure for you.
2. This is not a good solution for pilots who want all sids and stars available wherever they fly. It's better for those who want to study and fly all prodedures at a given airport or two, for example. For those who want all sids and stars available on demand, the Navigraph solution already mentioned is the only solution known to me.

After you practice a bit, it takes only 2 or 3 minutes to make a SID or STAR .gpx file in this way.
You can make an entire SID/STAR .gpx set for a mid sized airport in about a half hour.

Hope this is helpful,

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Re: How to get SIDs and STARs in Airbus A320 mcdu

Postby V12 » Sun Mar 07, 2021 2:19 pm

https://navigraph.com/products/fmsdata

31 EUR is not terroristic price...

Simworld2020 wrote in Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:51 am:Notes:
1. These SID/ STAR files by default give you only lateral guidance. You will have to modify them to get altitude control or you will have to manage your own climb/descent rate as the autopilot flies the procedure for you.


What plane in FG has realistic implemented VNAV with correctly calculated T/C, T/D and DECEL points ?
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Re: How to get SIDs and STARs in Airbus A320 mcdu

Postby legoboyvdlp » Sun Mar 07, 2021 5:32 pm

The A320 does - on a branch.
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Re: How to get SIDs and STARs in Airbus A320 mcdu

Postby V12 » Sun Mar 07, 2021 6:18 pm

Will try. What FG version I need for this A320 ? And what branch ?
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Re: How to get SIDs and STARs in Airbus A320 mcdu

Postby legoboyvdlp » Sun Mar 07, 2021 6:54 pm

It is not yet ready. Please don't try it yet.
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Re: How to get SIDs and STARs in Airbus A320 mcdu

Postby V12 » Sun Mar 07, 2021 8:02 pm

OK.
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Re: How to get SIDs and STARs in Airbus A320 mcdu

Postby Simworld2020 » Sun Mar 07, 2021 8:39 pm

V12 wrote in Sun Mar 07, 2021 2:19 pm:https://navigraph.com/products/fmsdata

31 EUR is not terroristic price...

Simworld2020 wrote in Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:51 am:Notes:
1. These SID/ STAR files by default give you only lateral guidance. You will have to modify them to get altitude control or you will have to manage your own climb/descent rate as the autopilot flies the procedure for you.


What plane in FG has realistic implemented VNAV with correctly calculated T/C, T/D and DECEL points ?


I think the price is great for what you get. But I make my own SIDS/STARS, I'm just giving the author of the OP a heads up on how to do it.
I don't fly enough aircraft to know which ones have the best RNAV implementations. When I do fly RNAV / GPS, I manage my own climbs and descents, keeps it interesting I guess.
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Re: How to get SIDs and STARs in Airbus A320 mcdu

Postby tdammers » Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:48 pm

V12 wrote in Sun Mar 07, 2021 2:19 pm:https://navigraph.com/products/fmsdata

31 EUR is not terroristic price...

Simworld2020 wrote in Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:51 am:Notes:
1. These SID/ STAR files by default give you only lateral guidance. You will have to modify them to get altitude control or you will have to manage your own climb/descent rate as the autopilot flies the procedure for you.


What plane in FG has realistic implemented VNAV with correctly calculated T/C, T/D and DECEL points ?


E-Jet, though with some caveats. The FMS does not know enough about the aircraft's performance to give an accurate estimate for TOC, it just assumes a constant (but conservative) constant FPA for the climb, and commands a configurable constant FPA for the descent, unless there are altitude restrictions, which it will attempt to meet within the limitations of the aircraft's performance (this part it does quite well - to the point that you can abuse it to fly entire RNAV approaches). It does not take airspeed into account though: it simply assumes that whatever FPA you configured for the descent is achievable including decelerations (the real E-Jet does not have a DECEL point either; the "managed speed" mode simply decelerates at an appropriate distance from each slower speed target, but because managed speed is largely independent from VNAV, the FMC will not calculate or display a DECEL point). The VNAV will also sometimes trip up if you change the flight plan in flight - I'm gonna be looking into that soon.
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Re: How to get SIDs and STARs in Airbus A320 mcdu

Postby sfaber83 » Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:59 pm

What File do i need to buy and integrate in Flightgear?
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Re: How to get SIDs and STARs in Airbus A320 mcdu

Postby V12 » Wed Mar 10, 2021 6:33 am

You need FMS data Level - D. These xml files You must copy to the correct folder and rename, for example data for LZIB :
1. I created folder AIRAC\Airports\L\Z\I\
2. copy LZIB.xml to that folder
3. rename it to LZIB.procedures.xml
4. done

I had simple script for this copy/rename operation, but I do not use FG more than 2 years.
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Re: How to get SIDs and STARs in Airbus A320 mcdu

Postby sfaber83 » Wed Mar 10, 2021 9:24 am

V12 wrote in Wed Mar 10, 2021 6:33 am:You need FMS data Level - D. These xml files You must copy to the correct folder and rename, for example data for LZIB :
1. I created folder AIRAC\Airports\L\Z\I\
2. copy LZIB.xml to that folder
3. rename it to LZIB.procedures.xml
4. done

I had simple script for this copy/rename operation, but I do not use FG more than 2 years.



Hi, i make this with this file from here:

https://github.com/l0k1/fg-navaiddata

Rename "finished" folder to "Airports" and overwrite it.

thats it.

But i am not sure about to buy this.
Have it the full function in FG?
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Re: How to get SIDs and STARs in Airbus A320 mcdu

Postby sfaber83 » Wed Mar 10, 2021 9:32 am

Is this good for us?

https://ourairports.com/
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