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Where are the pilots?

Postby LH-1701 » Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:39 am

Hi,

while flying from GCLP to EDDF on saturday i saw many ATCs online in europe (EDDF, EDDH, EDDL, EKCH, ESSA, LEBL, LFSB and some other) but there were nearly no clients.
So all these guys were waiting for hours for nearly nothing, thats a pitty in my eyes.

So, pilots, no matter if beginner or advanced, give these ATCs a try! Its worth a try to fly with ATC.

ATCs, please file your session at flightgear-atc.alwaysdata.net . This helps us pilots to plan a flight with ATC.

Lets fill the airspace with pilots and controllers!

reguards,

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Re: Where are the pilots?

Postby wkitty42 » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:18 pm

FWIW: this is entirely possible since there are more non-MP pilots than there are MP pilots...
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Re: Where are the pilots?

Postby FED-EX » Mon Jun 17, 2019 3:29 pm

I am online nearly every evening and those ATCs are often online:

EDDL (including EDDE sometimes)
EBBR
EGKK
EDDF
LEBL

So I just take a look at a mp online map and start at a ATC occupied aiport or start in the air and land there. So I follow the ATCs and do not have a straight flightplan.
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Re: Where are the pilots?

Postby V12 » Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:55 am

Pilots are on P3D, or XP11, or FSX and logged into VAT Sim.

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Re: Where are the pilots?

Postby FED-EX » Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:28 am

So let's go there?
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Re: Where are the pilots?

Postby legoboyvdlp » Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:13 am

V12 wrote in Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:55 am:Pilots are on P3D, or XP11, or FSX


And also FlightGear :)
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Re: Where are the pilots?

Postby CaptB » Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:22 am

legoboyvdlp wrote in Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:13 am:
V12 wrote in Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:55 am:Pilots are on P3D, or XP11, or FSX


And also FlightGear :)


Absolutely! And once we get swift integration I will be promoting FG on the network. It's a choice (and yes I have FSX and XPX too)
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Re: Where are the pilots?

Postby Isaak » Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:43 am

I really love to fly on VATSIM with FG indeed, it will be much easier once Swift is fully working. :)
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Re: Where are the pilots?

Postby LH-1701 » Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:36 am

I also like vatsim and waiting for swift integration, but thats not the topic.

Its a pitty that there are so few pilots in FG.

What i like about FG is that flying is more relaxed compared to vatsim. And vatsim is way more realistic with guaranteed quality of Atcs and much more traffic.
So both habe their good sites.

Reguards

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Re: Where are the pilots?

Postby CaptB » Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:28 am

LH-1701 wrote in Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:36 am:So both habe their good sites.


FGMP's pros are that it's not proprietary and and in some cases it seems technically more flexible/capable that FSD/VATSIM.

FGMP is also structureless, with no rules and regulations, which means that there's no "bureaucracy" that we have on VATSIM which I admit in some cases is unnecessarily excessive, but that brings it's own set of problems including low quality of the experience and abuse of service, and this is especially problematic for ATC where rules and proper interaction and the balance between those plays a significant role in the whole experience.

I'd like to compare it to an old school arcade game, say, PAC-MAN where if you can run around the map with unlimited lives cheat on, it quickly becomes boring as there is no challenge.

I seem to remember that MP was never intended to be a Libre/FOSS VATSIM like alternative, and having that in mind, don't expect too much of it exactly for that reason. I suspect that even less people will be using it once Swift is in the picture, I know I probably won't.
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Re: Where are the pilots?

Postby jomo » Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:13 am

CaptB wrote in Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:28 am:
LH-1701 wrote in Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:36 am:I seem to remember that MP was never intended to be a Libre/FOSS VATSIM like alternative, and having that in mind, don't expect too much of it exactly for that reason. I suspect that even less people will be using it once Swift is in the picture, I know I probably won't.

You are sooo right -- I am trying to promote since a long time: We should be glad to have that 4 opportunities:

1) A game for newbies that just want to fool/play around without needing any prior schooling/training/registration!

2) An environment were you can upgrade by learning to follow rules (as well provided by books as also by our (non licensed!) ATCs. Here always is the big problem to provide an area undisturbed from the group1 and still offering something even for the group3. As one of those ATCs (like me): I suggest to just neglect pilots that do not want or are not able to follow advise or rules)

3) An environment that requires learning/knowledge/registration etc. (BTW: As well for pilots as also for ATC's!)

4) real-world piloting (outside PCs! -)

You may have noticed: Group 1+2 are provided by FGFS, 3 by VATSIM, 4 by the real world.
Does anybody want to delete any of those groups? And if: Why??
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Re: Where are the pilots?

Postby Johan G » Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:25 pm

LH-1701 wrote in Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:36 am:I seem to remember that MP was never intended to be a Libre/FOSS VATSIM like alternative, and having that in mind, don't expect too much of it exactly for that reason.

Yep
jomo wrote in Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:13 am:[...] We should be glad to have that 4 opportunities:

[...]

Indeed
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Re: Where are the pilots?

Postby Octal450 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:38 pm

Jomo, you are spot on here! Exactly!

Kind Regards,
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Re: Where are the pilots?

Postby AAL545 » Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:22 am

Personally I wish there was something in between #2 & #3. What I like about FG is a relaxed flight, no pressure even if I mess up and park at the wrong gate like I have recently at EDDL,
no such a thing at Vatsim. There has been way too much nonsense on FG for me with an ATC who should not be an ATC, but I guess that comes with the territory.



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Re: Where are the pilots?

Postby RobAndrew » Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:07 am

Hello there!

As a fellow flier, I've always wanted to learn how to talk to ATC and be able to effectively communicate with them. I understand there are active ATC's I've just either been a little to nervous or not known where to find them! Could anyone help me with this?

Thanks!
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