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Postby V12 » Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:26 pm

Ahaaa. This bird was not equiped with GPS and RNAV navigation. Only INS. And INS is not as accurate as GPS, ofcourse. You can't use INS navigation to the runway treshold like A320 or 777, with very high probability You will miss runway. You must perform approach VFR, or use INS mode AP only to initial approach fix, then intercept localizer and continue on ILS/GS, or VOR/DME approach. It is technology from 1960 - more than 50 years old.
In this event, I used STAR LIDR1C and approach RNVZ05 till to wpt MA522, then disengaged AP and landed VFR manually.
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Postby pavlin » Tue Nov 20, 2018 10:25 pm

I was using the A/p dialogue, because the buttons on the board I do not understand. Also where is the Afterburner, which I am supposed to use for fast climb? Ya, I've trait Lidro 1 Charlie app several times at LPMA, but the VFR part is really hard for me, I can't handle the altitude. Btw today on the A/p menu in the plane menu had only 3 or 4 options, but I do not understand what they mean. I'll try again, but I'll be glad if you make video tutorial. You have youtube channel and I am sure it will gain popularity if you upload something like this.
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Postby legoboyvdlp » Wed Nov 21, 2018 12:23 am

Afterburner is ctrl f if I remember right, check in the help dialog.
There should be a flashing light once the afterburner comes on?

And yes, some tutorials would be awesome, I never managed to operate successfully especially with trimming fuel, since the tutorial seemed to be for the 2D panel.
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Re: World's Challenging Approaches - 10 |LPMA|17-11-2018|16:

Postby V12 » Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:28 am

Ctrl f afterburner on/ of
DEL reversers
SHIFT B parking brake

Tutorial is on http://wiki.flightgear.org/Concorde, there is image of the 3D panel of the very early version of that aircraft. But procedures described here are working. Sometime I will make tutorial. Check youtube too, there are many video tutorials with FG Concorde.
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Postby pavlin » Thu Nov 22, 2018 12:53 am

okay, I think I got the issue - the problem was that I did not touch the A/p panel and did not managed my fuel properly. I realized that if I want faster climb I should not lose speed, so I have to climb on minimal fuel, I have to turn on AB on takeoff and disconnect it when I reach mach 1.7 as a state. That subsonic climb is under 260FL and that after is supersonic climb, so I have to change fuel then. I have to manage supersonic cruise fuel so I can not fall out from sky. And the best part - NZWN to KJFK I can take for 6 hours. That's INORMUS!
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Re: World's Challenging Approaches - 10 |LPMA|17-11-2018|16:

Postby V12 » Thu Nov 22, 2018 4:54 pm

My procedure for EGLL to KJFK, route https://skyvector.com/?ll=46.3256889725 ... MRN%20KJFK

- take off from EGLL 27L with maximum take off weigth with 93 tons of fuel with afterburner
- afterburner OFF after 90 seconds
- climb to FL300 with 3000 fpm, then accel to 380 KIAS
- manage fuel - fuel from tank 9 to tank 11 and to tanks 5 and 7, when 9 empty, fuel from 10 to 5 and 7
- afterburner ON over KESUP, climb to FL600 with maximum allowed speed (checker needle on Air Speed indicator), afterburner OFF at M1.8 - M1.9, accel to M2.06 with Total temperature 128 deg. C on the instrument on pedestal
- cruise level FL600 M2.06 to 20 miles before KENDA, manage fuel, transfer from 5A to 5 and from 7A to 7
- descend to FL100 with -4000 fpm, decelerate to 250 kts, continue descend to 3000 feets for final approach, visor down, nose full down
Autoland procedure
- catch localizer at 2500 feets AGL
- wait for GS indicator on HSI
- press LAND, then GLIDE button on AP, hand on yoke and throttle
- 100 feets AGL AP OFF
- 15-20 feets AGL A/T off, slam throttle to full forward, then to idle
- land with attitude 10 deg at 160 kts when 19 tons FOB, don't attempt autoland with more than 30 tons FOB, You will stall and crash. It is possible to land with 90 tons FOB, but on realy long runway with touchdown speed 230 knots

NZWN to KJFK in 6 hours is impossible. Concorde's standard maximum range is 3700 nm with cruise climb from FL510 to FL600, 4100 nm at FL600 with safety reserve, 4300 nm FL600 in very ideal weather and without subsonic cruise, without reserve at FL600 4700 nm. I was able perform flight from SBGL to LFPG - 5100 nm at FL640 M2.00 without subsonic cruise (check https://fgtracker.ml/modules/fgtracker/ ... ID=6930405 or https://fgtracker.ml/modules/fgtracker/ ... ID=7023667), but landed on fuel vapour without possibility for second attempt. I took off with 94.5 tons FOB (max fuel config with out of CoG limits). Real longest Concorde's flight was from SVMI to LFPG or FLPO, it is 4100 nm, again, it was in very ideal metheorological conditions and with almost no pax and cargo. In FG is not absolutly perfect simulated atmosphere at high flight level, especialy jetstreams and temperature. As result is aircraft's range bit longer than in the reality.
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Postby pavlin » Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:16 pm

This plane is really different. I will need a lot of time to learn it. Part from staff you talk I understand.
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Postby V12 » Fri Nov 23, 2018 5:23 am

You are right, it is not fully automated Bus. But dark night take off from Heathrow and land in New York at same day in nice sunset is simply graceful.
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