Board index FlightGear Multiplayer events

World's Challenging Approaches -6 |LXGB|3-3-2018|16:00Z |  Topic is solved

Virtual fly-ins, fun flies, competitions, and other group events. Find out details of upcoming events, register for competitions, or organize your own tour of a favorite location.

World's Challenging Approaches -6 |LXGB|3-3-2018|16:00Z |  

Postby V12 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:25 am

Things changed - moved from VATSIM to FG-Multiplay :

SHM wrote:Hi everyone,

Firstly, thanks to all the pilots who flew in the last leg of the World's Challenging Approaches Tour. It was both fun and nerve-racking experience at the same time. :mrgreen:
There were some Go Arounds, but everyone seemed to get down on the ground at the end in one piece :oops:


Secondly, there will be some important change in this leg of the tour, which will either get me to stop hosting this series or will pave the way for even more fun and exciting set of flights in the series later. As many have probably seen, we lost many pilots to other sims from the clan over the years and there is only a single common network that we can all connect to and that is VATSIM. Probably many have closed the tab at this moment. But to others who are still here thank you! :)
When I joined this community in its group flights back during the USA Tours, it was so much more fun and it slowly came down and down. Now I feel that this a step that will bring the whole community back together in what we loved doing. So, as I said above this time the event will be on VATSIM.

I got PM's from the regular pilots that they won't be coming to VATSIM So this will be the last leg I organise and my final flight in fg-mp.

And the airport we would be flying to this time will be Gibraltar International Airport (LXGB)

When?
3rd March 2018 at 1600Z

Where:
MP server : Official MP servers
Voice Comms : Mumble only
Code: Select all
Address : mumble.zenserv.fr
Port : 60303


Image




SHM wrote:About the Airport:

Gibraltar International Airport or North Front Airport (IATA: GIB, ICAO: LXGB) is the civilian airport that serves the British overseas territory of Gibraltar. The runway is owned by the Ministry of Defence for use by the Royal Air Force as RAF Gibraltar. Civilian operators use the civilian-operated terminal. National Air Traffic Services hold the contract for provision of air navigation services at the airport.

In 2015, the airport handled 444,336 passengers and 408,757 kg of cargo on 4,100 total flights.[2] Winston Churchill Avenue (the main road heading towards the land border with Spain) intersects the airport runway, and consequently has to be closed every time a plane lands or departs. The History Channel programme Most Extreme Airports ranked the airport the fifth most extreme airport in the world.[3] It is exposed to strong cross winds around the rock and across the Bay of Algeciras, making landings in winter particularly uncomfortable.

Monarch Airlines was the largest operator at Gibraltar International, operating flights to Birmingham, London Gatwick, London Luton, Manchester Airport.[4] Both routes were operated by an Airbus A320-200. Monarch entered administration at 4:30am on 2 October 2017, ceasing operations with immediate effect,[5] around a year after rumours of its imminent demise became widespread. EasyJet operates seven weekly flights to London Gatwick operated by Airbus A320 family aircraft, as well as three flights per week to Bristol Airport and two flights a week to Manchester Airport. British Airways also operates nine weekly flights to London Heathrow being operated by an Airbus A320-200. Royal Air Maroc Express also operate twice weekly flights to Tangier Ibn Battouta Airport, which continue onto Casablanca Airport.

Although located in Gibraltar, the airport is also used by people travelling to or from neighbouring parts of southern Spain such as the Costa del Sol or the Campo de Gibraltar.


Elevation : 12.0 feet MSL.

Runway Available :
09/27 5840 x 151 feet

Navaids Nearby :
VOR_DME
VOR GBR GIBRALTAR 113.60
VOR-DME CEU CEUTA 117.75
VOD-DME VJF VEJER DE LA FRONTERA 117.80
VOD-DME TTN TETOUAN

NDB
CEU CEUTA 300
TUN TETOUAN 388
TAN TANGIER 374
TBR TANGIER 398


SHM wrote:Route:

Code: Select all
GCTS KORAL UG5 SONSO UN871 OSDAM UB28 BARPA PIMOS LXGB

Cruise Altitude : FL360
Speed : 0.78 Mach
Expected time in air : ~2 hours
Alternate : LEMG (Málaga, Spain)

https://skyvector.com/?ll=32.7189014170 ... MOS%20LXGB

Image




Last edited by V12 on Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:00 am, edited 2 times in total.
Fly high, fly fast - fly Concorde !
User avatar
V12
 
Posts: 1606
Joined: Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:27 pm
Location: LZIB
Callsign: BAWV12

Re: World's Challenging Approaches -6 |LXGB|3-3-2018|16:00Z

Postby biloute974 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:04 am

Hi,

it's not open to 777 ?
Intel I7 7700 - 16Gb DDR4 - Nvidia GTX970 - FG 2017.4.0 from D&C
biloute974
 
Posts: 191
Joined: Mon Feb 23, 2015 8:49 am
Callsign: U974
Version: 2016.1.0
OS: Mint 17.2

Re: World's Challenging Approaches -6 |LXGB|3-3-2018|16:00Z

Postby Wecsje » Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:09 am

777 is too big for Gibraltar.

C.
Twitch Streams: https://www.twitch.tv/wecsjelive
Contact methods: Discord (Wecsje#6351), FlightSims United discord (https://discord.me/flightsimsunited), Steam (Wecsje)
Track me on VATSIM: https://vatstats.net/pilots/1397313
User avatar
Wecsje
 
Posts: 204
Joined: Sun Feb 09, 2014 10:13 am
Location: The Closet, Under the Stairs, the Netherlands
Callsign: WS208J
Version: Newest
OS: Windows 10 Pro

Re: World's Challenging Approaches -6 |LXGB|3-3-2018|16:00Z

Postby biloute974 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:22 am

Ok, thanks :)
Intel I7 7700 - 16Gb DDR4 - Nvidia GTX970 - FG 2017.4.0 from D&C
biloute974
 
Posts: 191
Joined: Mon Feb 23, 2015 8:49 am
Callsign: U974
Version: 2016.1.0
OS: Mint 17.2

Re: World's Challenging Approaches -6 |LXGB|3-3-2018|16:00Z

Postby hans05 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:32 am

In the hope that everybody using FG is able to be tolerant and accept that there are always more than one opinion about one thing, I will try to explain why I have problems with this:

First of all I have strong feelings about using third party tools in general. I have been in IT "business" for more than 30 years now and the amount of fraud I saw is incredible and increasing. So up front I felt a strong aversion against VATSIM.
Still I tried to register and -as ever so often these days- this did NOT go well. Even though I switched off my noscript script-blocker in my web browser (which I REALLY hate to do!!), the VATSIM-page complains about JavaScript being turned off. This is usually a sign that the web page checks for advertisement blockers. Now, why would a soooo nice and harmless web page check for ad-blockers? Beats me, but I am out!

Reading the help pages on how to get on VATSIM going on FG did not help reducing my doubts! Being forced to run two .exe on my computer frightens me and my first question would be: Are both of them free and open source? Well I don't know, but if yes, that's good but still the "installation" of the connection aid to VATSIM seems too complicated to me and also too intrusive to my FG installation (replacing config-files and so). If the two .exe are not free and open source: Totally not acceptable to me. Already I am a Linux user and I am quite upset about any SW that does not come with Linux support and has to run on wine.

Now, the semi-pro pilots here might think: Hey what's this hans05 talking about?!? VATSIM is so great that you REALLY should not complain about the little pitfalls on the way to getting it.
Well, I started FG only last year's June, I have no clue why VATSIM would be so great.
If the only reason for using VATSIM is, that one wants to fly with others who do not use FG, again: I am out. No interest.
So maybe somebody could explain to the pilots on the beginner side, why VATSIM is the must have?!

So all of this is just my personal opinion and I totally understand you guys who might have dear friends using other sims than FG and really want to fly with them anyways and you have Google, Facebook, Whatsup and all other accounts and do not mind or even see any of the problems related with that and find VATSIM the most harmless amongst all of them. I bet you will have a lot of fun and I am truly happy for you.

I write this anyway, because I want to give you a hint that there are people like me, and I assume amongst people that use a free and open simulator like FG there are more people like me than amongst people that use closed source sims.
In my opinion it would be good to improve FG and advertise it in a way that all those friends who escaped to other sims come back to use what I find the over all best flight simulator out there (taking privacy protection, type of people using it and many other things into account).

Now, ranting off: I do wish you lots of fun in Gibraltar, go land your planes and feed some monkeys :-)
hans05
 
Posts: 113
Joined: Sat Sep 16, 2017 9:25 pm

Re: World's Challenging Approaches -6 |LXGB|3-3-2018|16:00Z

Postby SVW » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:27 pm

@hans05:

I have been in IT "business" for more than 30 years now

Really? As a programmer?

So maybe somebody could explain to the pilots on the beginner side, why VATSIM is the must have?!


Maybe compare this http://mpmap02.flightgear.org/
with this http://www.vattastic.com/.

The only way to interact with other pilots/ATC somewhat realistically is using VATSIM.

cheers
svw
SVW
 
Posts: 75
Joined: Sat Jun 13, 2015 5:54 pm

Re: World's Challenging Approaches -6 |LXGB|3-3-2018|16:00Z

Postby hans05 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:00 pm



The only thing I get from vattastic.com is a "Vattastic is Loading".
I guess that is again the ad-blocker and does not impress me much ;-)
hans05
 
Posts: 113
Joined: Sat Sep 16, 2017 9:25 pm

Re: World's Challenging Approaches -6 |LXGB|3-3-2018|16:00Z

Postby Wecsje » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:12 pm

https://vatmap.jsound.org/

Try that link, or download VatSpy (a single google will get you the download link)

C.
Twitch Streams: https://www.twitch.tv/wecsjelive
Contact methods: Discord (Wecsje#6351), FlightSims United discord (https://discord.me/flightsimsunited), Steam (Wecsje)
Track me on VATSIM: https://vatstats.net/pilots/1397313
User avatar
Wecsje
 
Posts: 204
Joined: Sun Feb 09, 2014 10:13 am
Location: The Closet, Under the Stairs, the Netherlands
Callsign: WS208J
Version: Newest
OS: Windows 10 Pro

Re: World's Challenging Approaches -6 |LXGB|3-3-2018|16:00Z

Postby hans05 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:27 pm

The link actually works :D Thanks!
So I assume the superduper thing about it is the sheer number of participants (really impressive how many planes there are!)?!? Because if I compare the display to

http://mpmap03.flightgear.org/

it is no better (and no worse).

If so, then you guys have a lot of fun there. I personally prefer not so crowded places, but that is again only me 8)

The VatSpy is again only for Windows and wants to install something. Might be harmless, but me no like!
Ohh my gooood, seems that I am too old for this stuff :shock:
Or too paranoid :lol:
At least too something....
hans05
 
Posts: 113
Joined: Sat Sep 16, 2017 9:25 pm

Re: World's Challenging Approaches -6 |LXGB|3-3-2018|16:00Z

Postby Wecsje » Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:45 pm

Well, lets see, on FGMP there are currently 16 pilots.

On VATSIM there are currently 556 pilots and 85 controllers. And they are qualified controllers, who had to go through training.

This was last week Thursday:

Image


This is today:

Image

VATSIM is much much better, and its free, and it can be used with FG.

C.
Twitch Streams: https://www.twitch.tv/wecsjelive
Contact methods: Discord (Wecsje#6351), FlightSims United discord (https://discord.me/flightsimsunited), Steam (Wecsje)
Track me on VATSIM: https://vatstats.net/pilots/1397313
User avatar
Wecsje
 
Posts: 204
Joined: Sun Feb 09, 2014 10:13 am
Location: The Closet, Under the Stairs, the Netherlands
Callsign: WS208J
Version: Newest
OS: Windows 10 Pro

Re: World's Challenging Approaches -6 |LXGB|3-3-2018|16:00Z

Postby hans05 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:36 pm

I personally have really appreciated to participate in many FGUK-Flight-Nights:

10 pilots
0 controllers (out of which 0 are trained and 0 are qualified)
0 registrations to foreign web sites
0 installations to my Computer
100% fun :D

I feel that saying "VATSIM IS better than FGMP" is a bit far fetched. You FIND it a lot better, that I totally buy and have nothing against it.
Just _I_ do not find it better. In fact, if VATSIM was the only means of playing MP-FG, I would not play MP with FG.

So we each have our opinion. I hope we can all live with that and tolerate each other.

Again, have fun on VATSIM and in Gibraltar!!
hans05
 
Posts: 113
Joined: Sat Sep 16, 2017 9:25 pm

Re: World's Challenging Approaches -6 |LXGB|3-3-2018|16:00Z

Postby wkitty42 » Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:11 pm

@hans05: you're not the only one with a valid paranoia about installing things just from wherever... as an IT Security Specialist, i'm very tight on what i allow to be carried and installed on the networks i maintain and manage... you are doing just fine over there ;)
"You get more air close to the ground," said Angalo. "I read that in a book. You get lots of air low down, and not much when you go up."
"Why not?" said Gurder.
"Dunno. It's frightened of heights, I guess."
User avatar
wkitty42
 
Posts: 5759
Joined: Fri Feb 20, 2015 3:46 pm
Location: central NC, USA
Callsign: wk42
Version: git next
OS: Kubuntu 14.04.5

Re: World's Challenging Approaches -6 |LXGB|3-3-2018|16:00Z

Postby V12 » Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:59 am

Things changed - check initial post !

SHM wrote:Check the changes to first post :mrgreen:

I wont be hosting anymore and the Gibraltar event will be my last. The World's Challenging Approaches Tour can be organised by someone who is interested in FG-MP. (Preference goes to Israel first since he did a fabulous job with the USA tour ones and if he declines anyone can)
Fly high, fly fast - fly Concorde !
User avatar
V12
 
Posts: 1606
Joined: Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:27 pm
Location: LZIB
Callsign: BAWV12

Re: World's Challenging Approaches -6 |LXGB|3-3-2018|16:00Z

Postby V12 » Wed Feb 28, 2018 3:35 pm

SHM wrote:Last lap in preparation for the World's Challenging Approaches -6

We are meeting this Saturday (March 3rd) to fly Airliners to Gibraltar (LXGB)

The following is the list of confirmed participants. Flight will be completed in the FlightGear regular servers.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


IMPORTANT NOTIFICATIONs:

* If you download the files with the zip snapshot listed above, rename the folder of the aircraft by removing the "-master", examples, after unzipping 777-master becomes 777
* The aircraft indicated with GIT* can also be obtained using git repository FGDATA Next generation with submodules. The branch in this event is currently the default branch being checkout by the repository. Just update the respective submodule if not done already

Code: Select all
Aircraft/IDG-A32X #SHM
Aircraft/737-800YV #KL-666
Aircraft/Concorde #V12
Aircraft/L011 #IAHM-COL

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Thanks Israel for the format :D
Fly high, fly fast - fly Concorde !
User avatar
V12
 
Posts: 1606
Joined: Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:27 pm
Location: LZIB
Callsign: BAWV12

Re: World's Challenging Approaches -6 |LXGB|3-3-2018|16:00Z

Postby Catalanoic » Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:59 pm

silly to say vatsim is better than FGMP, is just a network, mount a server and keep it online, having one with +500 pilots online is great, practice skills and get in touch with some experienced sim pilots and you dont have that lonely feeling on FGMP but anyways is the same thing. I fly with some people only in FGMP, so i dont think is useless.
User avatar
Catalanoic
 
Posts: 1057
Joined: Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:33 am
Location: Barcelona (LEBL)
Callsign: Catalanoic
Version: 2017.3
OS: Lubuntu/Windows 7

Next

Return to Multiplayer events

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Applebot [Bot] and 1 guest