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Re: Wednesday evening session discussion thread.

Postby Woosh » Tue Jan 24, 2023 10:34 am

bonus...

ICARE38 is providing to additional routes currently flown IRL
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and
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high resolution here
https://fshare.udtq.fr/dl/aK3U8M1TnuEA?key=EQscMwGoax4IseamyuiS

More information about the session on the Lenny website
http://flightgear-atc.alwaysdata.net/show_event.php?eventId=5738

There it is.

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Re: Wednesday evening session discussion thread.

Postby Volador » Tue Jan 24, 2023 12:55 pm

Luffleine wrote in Mon Jan 23, 2023 8:06 pm:
If that's okay, then I can put together a corresponding skyvector map and write this Wednesday's announcement.


Luffleine, please post your plan in the event thread, thank you for suggesting this event :)
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Re: Wednesday evening session discussion thread.

Postby Ysop » Tue Jan 24, 2023 3:20 pm

Thanks Luffline,
Thanks Woosh!

Terrific! We should make full use of that and spend a couple of evenings in the Alps.

Yes, preparation advised....
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Re: Wednesday evening session discussion thread.

Postby Luffleine » Tue Jan 24, 2023 11:29 pm

So, for the case that LFHU becomes too busy at times and for those who want to do landing trials in quick succession with minimal radio callouts by hopping back and forth between Méribel and Courchevel in the meantime, I was thinking that the simple rules
  • outbound leg --> go at least 500ft lower than runway (dashed lines)
  • inbound leg --> of course we are approaching from higher
should be able to keep the flight paths separated. Applying that to the official approach patterns could yield something like this, right? What do you think?

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Remains the question of paths after failed final and decision to go-around. Am I overlooking this somewhere in the VFR charts? In Méribel it's pretty clear you would turn right to the valley. I added the grey dashed arrows tentatively.
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Re: Wednesday evening session discussion thread.

Postby Woosh » Wed Jan 25, 2023 10:34 am

@Luffleine,

sorry to come back about this only now,

again, in mountain, there is no MISSED APPROACH, this just does not exist.

Anyone can read on the respective LFHU (L'Alpe D'Huez), LFKX (MERIBEL). LFLJ (COURCHEVEL) VAC maps,

1. there is no path for MISS APP
but you have instead:
2. PREFERENTIAL EMERGENCY LDG AERA (specified with a QDR (heading to get there and distance) + possible precisions )

MERIBEL
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COURCHEVEL
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Reasons for this are:
main reason:
- The airspace is not design to handle MISSAPs

other strong reasons:
- SAR in mountain are crazy complicated, crashing in defined place allow to pre install SARs in vicinity...
Aerodromes are often to small to have proper SARs facilities and ACFTs use to crash further ...

So,
the right procedure is:
- Insure ?
- Do a RWY overflight as noted on the VAC Map,
- New Integration,
- Minimum Speed "+ a notch",
- Ascertain your landing.

This is why flying in mountain is so "lovely" and need a special license...

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Re: Wednesday evening session discussion thread.

Postby Ysop » Wed Jan 25, 2023 11:04 am

Awesome information.
There is really so much to learn. Our GA-wednesday group brings really one challenge after the other.

For most of us it might be a bit hard to find time for preparation among other commitments.
We'll compensate by good intergroup communication/training and shifting our main flying area the Alps and Glasgow.

And I am really looking forward to the snowball fights :)
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Re: Wednesday evening session discussion thread.

Postby MariuszXC » Wed Jan 25, 2023 11:07 am

Ysop wrote in Wed Jan 25, 2023 11:04 am:And I am really looking forward to the snowball fights :)


We would need an addon for that :D
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Re: Wednesday evening session discussion thread.

Postby Woosh » Wed Jan 25, 2023 11:51 am

snow balls fight ?

I am in!

Let me know when the add-on is up to.

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Re: Wednesday evening session discussion thread.

Postby TheEagle » Wed Jan 25, 2023 2:49 pm

I just might have half an hour to join you today in the Alps - in that case, I'll be in my custom PC-6, so please download it beforehand ! ;) (Sorry, no time to read any charts or do any other preparation … also I can't be on voice ! :( )
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Re: Wednesday evening session discussion thread.

Postby MariuszXC » Wed Jan 25, 2023 4:30 pm

LoCall wrote in Sat Jan 14, 2023 10:38 pm:
I have, from those times, one copy of the scenario.
I am happy to share it with you.
https://www.moohw.com/Events/GA-WEDNESDAYS-LFHU/LFHU.tar.gz


On my side the scenery does not play nice with the default Terrasync scenery.
In .fgfsrc I have: --fg-scenery=/opt/fg/SC/Scenery
I am on current 'next'. Other custom sceneries are disabled.

I run FGFS like that: ./run_fgfs.sh --timeofday=morning --airport=LFHU --aircraft=...

The result is, that my aircraft ends on Terracync scenery, below the custom one. See image:
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Also, several models used are not included with the scenery:
50.55 [WARN]:OSG Error reading file Models/Airport/traffic.xml: file not found
50.55 [ALRT]:terrain Path "/opt/fg/SC/Scenery/Objects/e000n40/e005n45/3039691.stg": Failed to load OBJECT_SHARED 'Models/Airport/traffic.xml'

Same alerts for 'fourgon.xml', 'Boundaries/Hedge-2m.xml', 'Boundaries/Hedge-10m.xml'.
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Re: Wednesday evening session discussion thread.

Postby Woosh » Wed Jan 25, 2023 4:38 pm

@Mariusxc

precedence

when you have > than 1 version of installed scenario

pay attention to have the patch in priority position in your list of scenaries.

in ./run priority = ← the the left
in launcher priority = ↑ to the top

If you intend to start from LFHU, it is tricky, there is a readme file that might help.

Best, is D-MIKA said, fly to LFHU or Courchevel from somewhere else.

I know that way it does work.

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Re: Wednesday evening session discussion thread.

Postby Woosh » Wed Jan 25, 2023 5:18 pm

@all

suggest METAR
XXXX 012345Z 21004KT 12SM SCT025 FEW200 08/M02 Q1015 NOSIG

Meaning
XXXX Not from an ICAO airport
012345Z Not defined in time/day
21004KT Winds FROM the 210 force 40 KTS
12SM Horizontal visibility 12 Statute Miles
SCT025 CLOUDS layer 1 SCATTERED at 2500 ft
FEW200 CLOUDS layer 2 FEW at 20000 ft
08/M02 Air Temp 08 / Due point Minus 02
Q1015 Altimetry QNH 1015
NOSIG NO CHANGES EXPECTED in the next 30 min

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Re: Wednesday evening session discussion thread.

Postby Woosh » Wed Jan 25, 2023 5:21 pm

AFIS FREQ at L'ALPE d'HUEZ

HU_AFIS 120.600

and

FRANCE MOUNTAIN 130.000

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Re: Wednesday evening session discussion thread.

Postby Volador » Wed Jan 25, 2023 8:31 pm

A very interesting and busy event in the Alps this week, merci beaucoup to our ATC's and thank you to D-MIKA for the very enjoyable event and description in the event thread.

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Eagle caught practicing before the event (with gear down on this approach) - a shame you couldn't make the event Eagle

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Re: Wednesday evening session discussion thread.

Postby MariuszXC » Wed Jan 25, 2023 10:06 pm

I had to go with lower quality graphics settings, but the scenery was still beautiful:
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Double-fine final (double-fine-al?) ;)
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A very festive event indeed :)
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