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Re: Wednesday evening session discussion thread.

Postby TheEagle » Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:04 pm

Ysop wrote in Thu Jan 20, 2022 12:29 pm:FDM invalid only on the ground or after replay? Just asking as I wasn't experiencing this on my machine.

Yes, only on the ground. I don't know what exactly caused it, but for example when you pull back on the elevator on the ground standing still, for some seconds nothing happens, then the thing pitched up slowly (which couldn't be stopped by pushing the yoke back forward), flipped over, and went into a spin and was catapultated up into the air. When it came down again it was catapultated up again much higher and spinning much faster, and when it came down again it just went underground and I got an invalid FDM. At least the catapultating is due to the lack of contact points - there are only two. Also the gear is positioned completely wrong, which leads to some unexpected visuals on takeoff and landing (not taking off despites the aircraft already in the air … visually). The 3D model is great, but the FDM … :roll:

Ysop wrote in Thu Jan 20, 2022 12:29 pm:Especially for the one from the overhead break!

That's which one ?
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Re: Wednesday evening session discussion thread.

Postby MariuszXC » Thu Jan 20, 2022 2:23 pm

And I experienced reversed thrust. After starting the engine, plane started to roll backwards. Then it was catapulted into the air...

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Re: Wednesday evening session discussion thread.

Postby Volador » Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:04 pm

MariuszXC wrote in Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:57 am:
TheEagle wrote in Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:26 am:After three or four patterns (with two FDM crashes :roll: ) I got frustrated and tried an air to air refuelling in the F-15 with someone in a 707-TT - that did not end good (for him)..

You sucked all of his fuel out?!?


The idea of that made me laugh out loud ...carefree, living to excess bites back XD
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Re: Wednesday evening session discussion thread.

Postby Ysop » Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:39 pm

TheEagle wrote in Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:04 pm:
Ysop wrote in Thu Jan 20, 2022 12:29 pm:Especially for the one from the overhead break!

That's which one ?


This one. Pulling some g's to bleed off energy, waiting for gear and flap extension speed and judging altitude/runway spacing...

Volador wrote in Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:58 pm:Image



For the fun of it I had a bit of texting testing in the Texan II. So we are talking contact points, which really does not mean, that the FDM is crap. Kindly note, that aircraft are supposed to touch ground with wheels only, this avoids noise, costs and trouble ;-)
Within normal operating limits it works really fine. Elevator nose up with powered up engine is just not a good idea.
I had negative thrust, when the aircraft was burning....
Visuals is another matter. Always something to do.
The nice touch about this FDM is, that is uses wind tunnel data including landing configuration, which is rare.
Let's not extend this too much here.

Next week's recommended aircraft can be found here http://www.daveshangar.org/

T-2 Buckeye. You'll also need the DavePack. Don't be disappointed by the simple cockpit. You will not have a lot of time to look at it: Break altitude is 800ft, downwind altitude 600ft. So things happen even a bit faster.
It is worth paying attention to the AoA-indicator/-indexer.
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Re: Wednesday evening session discussion thread.

Postby TheEagle » Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:48 pm

Umm, yes, when I said the FDM isn't good I was mainly referring to the ground reactions part. But it pitched up with back elevator even with the engine idling !
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Re: Wednesday evening session discussion thread.

Postby TheEagle » Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:08 pm

Ysop … I guess next you'll want us to use an aircraft without ANY contact points at all ? Last one had three bogeys and two structures, and this one has ONLY three bogeys ! :shock: Really … :roll:

:mrgreen:

But honestly, I'll use a different one ! Maybe the Seahawk (FGAddon).
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Re: Wednesday evening session discussion thread.

Postby Volador » Sat Jan 22, 2022 6:08 pm

I've had a little practice, and the success rate for landing is about 60% at the moment (when I choose not to go round), it's all visual right? there does not seem to be any radio to line up on this aircraft. Also I've noticed the carrier does not come into view until about 1km which does not give a great amount of time to make all the course corrections - I have played with the LOD ranges but it does not seem to make any difference. Other static boats appear in the region the whole time.
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Re: Wednesday evening session discussion thread.

Postby Ysop » Sat Jan 22, 2022 7:25 pm

60% is better than only half of it :-)
Yes, visual only. Although there are automatic systems, but not in FGFS.

The overfly and break technique is certainly helps with the LOD-issue.

Are you, or anybody else, up for a short test? Might be a good idea prior posting event information.
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Re: Wednesday evening session discussion thread.

Postby Volador » Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:02 am

I could join a test Neils, I have an hour just now or later after 11:00UTC
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Re: Wednesday evening session discussion thread.

Postby Ysop » Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:32 am

Thanks to Chris for testing!
Information Juliett published.
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Re: Wednesday evening session discussion thread.

Postby Volador » Sun Jan 23, 2022 11:53 am

Thanks for posting the event Niels, it great to have a plan in place (and tested). Talking of all this planning, are there suggestions for the week after? I recall there was a landing accuracy addon (by Eagle was it?) but now I think about it, perhaps we'll need an antidote to the intense nature of this carrier landing event on Wednesday. How about a nice relaxed return to pottering about somewhere scenic... any suggestions for the Wednesday 2nd Feb after Niels's carrier event?
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Re: Wednesday evening session discussion thread.

Postby benih » Sun Jan 23, 2022 2:47 pm

Just a quick idea, maybe we try the pinzgauer spatziergang (soaring trip) again?
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Re: Wednesday evening session discussion thread.

Postby Volador » Sun Jan 23, 2022 4:54 pm

I've moved this post to scenery
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Re: Wednesday evening session discussion thread.

Postby Ysop » Sun Jan 23, 2022 9:16 pm

benih wrote in Sun Jan 23, 2022 2:47 pm:Just a quick idea, maybe we try the pinzgauer spatziergang (soaring trip) again?


We can absolutely do that. A bit of relaxing stick and rudder flying aft the carrier ops and we have neglected soaring a bit.
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Re: Wednesday evening session discussion thread.

Postby Volador » Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:33 pm

Happy to do gliders again the week after, I need the practice. I also have a new Alps route but we should save that for a in a few weeks as I may not make it on Wednesday 9th Feb.
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