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Re: Wednesday evening session discussion thread.

Postby Volador » Thu Jun 24, 2021 5:49 pm

It looks good Beni, I will try and get the photoscenery :)

Some pics from yesterday:

About the only time I didn't crash-land
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All safely down at the pier in Geneva
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A variety of mooring techniques were used at the Geneva fountain:
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Re: Wednesday evening session discussion thread.

Postby Volador » Thu Jun 24, 2021 5:51 pm

TheEagle wrote in Thu Jun 24, 2021 12:05 pm:Well, my problem was not jitsi eating too much bandwidth, but rather bringing down my framerate - do you experience the same effects ? With mumble it was much better !


Would that point towards jitsi web page use of plugins being heavy on the cpu? I wonder if a different browser would suffer the same? I'm guessing it would if it used the same plugins.
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Re: Wednesday evening session discussion thread.

Postby powoflight » Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:41 pm

@benih
I would want to use solely mumble for this, so please go ahead and install a client.

I think it is correct to install PPA version 1.3.4 for Ubuntu.
Or do we  need version 1.4  (Development Snapshots) for fgcom-mumble?

@TheEagle
Well, my problem was not jitsi eating too much bandwidth, but rather bringing down my framerate

I had no Problems. Maybe dependence on the hardware? I use Firefox on Ubuntu.

By the way . I get the golden Ananas. Too much crashes. I can Fly with IFR but VFR ...... :oops:
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Re: Wednesday evening session discussion thread.

Postby TheEagle » Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:02 pm

I use Firefox on Ubuntu too, so that cannot be the issue … How many CPU cores and how much RAM do you have ? I have 2 cores and 4 GB RAM
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Re: Wednesday evening session discussion thread.

Postby TheEagle » Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:04 pm

You were speaking about photoscenery - where can I get that ?
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Re: Wednesday evening session discussion thread.

Postby benih » Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:09 pm

powoflight wrote in Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:41 pm:@benih
I would want to use solely mumble for this, so please go ahead and install a client.

I think it is correct to install PPA version 1.3.4 for Ubuntu.
Or do we  need version 1.4  (Development Snapshots) for fgcom-mumble?

1.3.4 is fine, unless you want to test fgcom-mumble with me.


TheEagle wrote in Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:04 pm:You were speaking about photoscenery - where can I get that ?

See here: https://wiki.flightgear.org/Julia_photo ... _generator
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Re: Wednesday evening session discussion thread.

Postby powoflight » Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:27 pm

@TheEagle
2 Cores and 4 GB RAM... is not much.
I think 8gb RAM is okay. Maybe 4 Cores. Because fg use 1 till 2 Cores but not more.
Whats your graphicard?

I have 4 cores 16gb RAM and a nvidia 1060. Thats okay.
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Re: Wednesday evening session discussion thread.

Postby benih » Fri Jun 25, 2021 10:08 am

So, definitely more enjoyable with Ortophotos this time. I have a bit more than 4GB in DDS imagery here now, with 16k images.
With 8k its 1.1 GB.

Very nice valleys, so if we enjoy it, we should do another flight there while we still have the data on our disks :)
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Re: Wednesday evening session discussion thread.

Postby TheEagle » Fri Jun 25, 2021 10:34 am

benih wrote in Fri Jun 25, 2021 10:08 am:So, definitely more enjoyable with Ortophotos this time. I have a bit more than 4GB in DDS imagery here now, with 16k images.
With 8k its 1.1 GB.

4GB ? Just for those few valleys on Creta ? Oh dear … (I dreamed of getting photoscenery of whole Europe … but for that I'd probably need at least a whole hard disk :roll: :( )
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Re: Wednesday evening session discussion thread.

Postby benih » Fri Jun 25, 2021 11:03 am

Well, thats 16k photos. Thats about 1px per meter, if i remember correctly
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Re: Wednesday evening session discussion thread.

Postby Volador » Fri Jun 25, 2021 11:33 am

TheEagle wrote in Fri Jun 25, 2021 10:34 am:
benih wrote in Fri Jun 25, 2021 10:08 am:So, definitely more enjoyable with Ortophotos this time. I have a bit more than 4GB in DDS imagery here now, with 16k images.
With 8k its 1.1 GB.

4GB ? Just for those few valleys on Creta ? Oh dear … (I dreamed of getting photoscenery of whole Europe … but for that I'd probably need at least a whole hard disk :roll: :( )


You'll also need a lot of RAM for photoscenery and a decent amount of GPU memory - I understand the dds files are used by the GPU memory. The future for photoscenery (based on what I've read) is we can get away with a balance of lower res photos but then this is enhanced by having the correct buildings, trees and bushes in the right places to provide the detail and, if that's on another shader it could maybe use a thread/core on it's own (not really sure about the tech stuff) furthermore, because open street maps data is only available where people have contributed, some sort of clever land-class automated scanning of satellite imagery would be needed to generate the missing world data... as to how that's done I could only theorise about extracting colours from photoscenery with tolerance parameters and basic land class look-up to make the best guess for what goes where over the top of the photoscenery. ...maybe my ramblings should go on the scenery topic...
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Re: Wednesday evening session discussion thread.

Postby TheEagle » Fri Jun 25, 2021 12:37 pm

Argh, then I'll probably have to give up these dreams - I recently tested FGFS 2020.3.8 with all the buildings from OSM - my framerate went down to 3 or 4 already just with that, so photoscenery probably won't be possible :( Unless I can get a better PC, at least …
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Re: Wednesday evening session discussion thread.

Postby powoflight » Sat Jun 26, 2021 2:47 pm

I have installed mumble.
What i have done after

1 Click on Server Connect.
2 click on Add New... input the following parameters

Label FlightGear  (or another  name of your choice)
Address radio-mumble.flightgear.fr
Port 64738 (the default value)
Username  OE-POW

Emmerich, jomo use that Adress
flightgear-radio.autosoft.fr

I have installed both adresses.

But which Group are we?
And can i test it shortly with somebody? Today i am at a birthdayparty. So i will read some response tomorrow.
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Re: Wednesday evening session discussion thread.

Postby TheEagle » Sat Jun 26, 2021 3:05 pm

I might be doing a fight at LFPO with mumble this evening at about 18:00 to 19:00 UTC - but I'm not sure of that yet. If I do it, we could fly together and test it !
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Re: Wednesday evening session discussion thread.

Postby powoflight » Sat Jun 26, 2021 3:32 pm

@TheEagle

Thank you.
That would be a real fun but i have to go now to a birthday party.... Official .... mama mia
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