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Re: Wednesday evening session: sailplanes at Zell am See

Postby TheEagle » Thu May 13, 2021 6:39 pm

Ysop wrote in Thu May 13, 2021 6:13 pm:Extra points for staying on my towline perfectly.


:lol: thanks !
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Re: Wednesday evening session: sailplanes at Zell am See

Postby Volador » Sat May 15, 2021 2:16 pm

All are welcome for next Wednesday, general aviation aircraft of your choice and it is about 1 hr with around 45 mins flying time departing LFKR St Reny de Maurienne ( airport is 7352 in Flightgear ) then into the mountains and calling at LFHU (for the landing challenge). Those that survive will then continue on enjoying the Alps scenery where we will plan to finish at LFLG

Meet 7352 (LFKR) 17:30 UTC for pre-flight briefings and chat
Meet 7352 (LFKR) 18:45 UTC for pre-flight briefings and chat
https://meet.jit.si/FGtour2021 for screen share and chat
Wheels up 18:00 UTC
Wheels up 19:15 UTC
Around 45 mins flying

[url]https://skyvector.com/?ll=45.16945178793741,6.17388726445994&chart=301&zoom=1&fpl=%20LFKR%204519N00617E%204515N00610E%204513N00614E%204505N00609E%204504N00603E%204505N00605E%204509N00557E%204512N00549E%20LFLG[/url]

[edit updated route below]

[url]
https://skyvector.com/?ll=45.1458473350 ... 04504N0060[/url]
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Re: Wednesday evening session: sailplanes at Zell am See

Postby Ysop » Sat May 15, 2021 2:58 pm

Excellent!

Alpe d'Huez....we don't have to take a doping test, when we arrive at the top, do we?

See you Wednesday!
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Re: Wednesday evening session: sailplanes at Zell am See

Postby benih » Sat May 15, 2021 3:02 pm

I will come with my beloved ask21 C182S.
Which parking do we use?
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Re: Wednesday evening session: sailplanes at Zell am See

Postby TheEagle » Sat May 15, 2021 9:10 pm

I'm not sure which aircraft I will take, but maybe the Cap10B
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Re: Wednesday evening session: Alpe d'Huez without Fuentes

Postby Volador » Sun May 16, 2021 9:47 am

as has been pointed out the departure airport code LFKR is actually 7352 in Flightgear :)
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Re: Wednesday evening session: Alpe d'Huez without Fuentes

Postby Ysop » Sun May 16, 2021 10:02 am

Good hint :)
Probably joining in with the C182.
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Re: Wednesday evening session: Alpe d'Huez without Fuentes

Postby TheEagle » Sun May 16, 2021 11:13 am

Also, could we change the route ? A landing in LFHU is almost impossible; I had to try it ten times before I finally managed to get down onto the runway without breaking up my gear, and even then, I overran the runway :shock: :(
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Re: Wednesday evening session: Alpe d'Huez without Fuentes

Postby benih » Sun May 16, 2021 11:23 am

That’s part of the challenge :)
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Re: Wednesday evening session: sailplanes at Zell am See

Postby D-ECHO » Sun May 16, 2021 1:23 pm

D-ECHO wrote in Mon May 10, 2021 6:14 pm:Quick test showed that a lowered elastic constant (e.g. only 200N) resulted in a way smoother thus easier ride, but I think this also means less realism (don't know the elastic constant of irl used ropes off the top of my hand though). When you enter into oscillation (speeding up, almost hitting the tow rope and then no pull as the rope isn't tight, slowing down, ...), in my experience applying airbrakes anti-cyclical helps.

This turns out to be not really true, in fact a rather large elastic constant can actually give a smoother ride, even though I haven't yet found a "perfect" setting
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Re: Wednesday evening session: Alpe d'Huez without Fuentes

Postby Volador » Sun May 16, 2021 1:52 pm

benih wrote in Sun May 16, 2021 11:23 am:That’s part of the challenge :)


Indeed it is! :) I planned the route specifically around this challenge. Great that you're practicing your skills Eagle, you can give us some tips!
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Re: Wednesday evening session: Alpe d'Huez without Fuentes

Postby danielHL » Sun May 16, 2021 2:00 pm

It is possible, of course. Know your plane, your short field technique and most important: precise altitude, because the terrain looks treacherous... I landed a C208 Caravan there twice, yesterday. I'm looking forward to the tour!
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Re: Wednesday evening session: Alpe d'Huez without Fuentes

Postby TheEagle » Sun May 16, 2021 3:58 pm

Volador wrote in Sun May 16, 2021 1:52 pm:Great that you're practicing your skills Eagle, you can give us some tips!


Yeah, only problem is, that the altitude offset for the approach option in the FG launcher doesn't work correctly for this airport … Always puts me out directly before a hillside on the same altitude of about 4500 ft over sea level, no matter if I specify 6000ft over sea level, 12000ft over sea level, or 1000ft over field level, or 10000ft over field level in the launcher… Do you encounter the same behaviour ?
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Re: Wednesday evening session: Alpe d'Huez without Fuentes

Postby wkitty42 » Sun May 16, 2021 4:41 pm

this sounds like you are trying to use an approach preset for the craft... perhaps don't do that? instead, load up at the airport, take off, fly around, and then land... that's really the best way until the craft preset stuff is worked out to be better than it currently is... it that's what you are using, of course...
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Re: Wednesday evening session: Alpe d'Huez without Fuentes

Postby TheEagle » Sun May 16, 2021 5:03 pm

Okay, here are my tips:
1. Put out full flaps and come in as slow as your aircraft permits
2. Descend to runway elevation + about 20 - 30 feet already far away from the runway
3. Reduce power to idle 10 seconds before touchdown and do a little nosedive to keep the speed high enough
4. Apply parking brake already in the air

Note please that these tips might only work for the Cap10B and Cap10C !

And to do the 180 degree turn at the end of the runway, it's probably best to drive up the hillside a bit - there is more room than on the runway (propeller aircarfts can't go reversed :cry: !).
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