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Re: Aircraft Center | pui2canvas parser (devel-list follow-u

... http://wiki.flightgear.org/images/f/f4/Reset-reinit-control-panel.png In other words, pui2canvas can be solely implemented in fgdata space, and it can even remove PUI at runtime ...
by Hooray
Sat Jun 18, 2016 9:13 am
 
Forum: Canvas
Topic: Aircraft Center | pui2canvas parser (devel-list follow-up)
Replies: 32
Views: 10770

Re: Aircraft Center | pui2canvas parser (devel-list follow-u

... looks like a pool of questions that could be easily answered by referring to those topics, or even just by reviewing the pointers collected in the pui2canvas parser article; there really are too many conceptual issues in your posting currently. Likewise, I am not asking you, or Thorsten, to communicate ...
by Hooray
Sat Jun 18, 2016 9:01 am
 
Forum: Canvas
Topic: Aircraft Center | pui2canvas parser (devel-list follow-up)
Replies: 32
Views: 10770

Re: Aircraft Center | pui2canvas parser (devel-list follow-u

Just briefly, given that we can parse pui/XML to create dialogs, we can just as well create a fully functional menubar to call the corresponding show-dialog commands, which is not really complicated to do... (ignore the dialog decoration, I added that for better debugging) After all, a menubar is ju...
by Hooray
Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:46 pm
 
Forum: Canvas
Topic: Aircraft Center | pui2canvas parser (devel-list follow-up)
Replies: 32
Views: 10770

Re: Aircraft Center | pui2canvas parser (devel-list follow-u

But without implementing other parts, without PUI (or QUI) you cannot get to the dialogs. Right... What other parts? Do you honesty think that it's difficult to open canvas windows from Nasal? Do you really believe we need PUI or Qt for a job which is a one-liner? Fully replacing PUI with pure CUI ...
by Thorsten
Fri Jun 17, 2016 1:51 pm
 
Forum: Canvas
Topic: Aircraft Center | pui2canvas parser (devel-list follow-up)
Replies: 32
Views: 10770

Re: Aircraft Center | pui2canvas parser (devel-list follow-u

... The core development to replace this will be the Qt5 GUI (QUI). ⋅  The CUI as you envisage it will not replace the current PUI. Pui2canvas is only one part. But without implementing other parts, without PUI (or QUI) you cannot get to the dialogs. ⋅  The CUI as Thorsten ...
by bugman
Fri Jun 17, 2016 11:40 am
 
Forum: Canvas
Topic: Aircraft Center | pui2canvas parser (devel-list follow-up)
Replies: 32
Views: 10770

Re: Aircraft Center | pui2canvas parser (devel-list follow-u

... I have yet to hear any counter arguments. If someone seriously believes the Qt plan for FG can be derailed or endangered by a minimalistic pui2canvas parser, then this prompts the question how solid the Qt approach is in the first place. Personally, I don't think it is that fragile.
by Thorsten
Fri Jun 17, 2016 5:29 am
 
Forum: Canvas
Topic: Aircraft Center | pui2canvas parser (devel-list follow-up)
Replies: 32
Views: 10770

Re: Aircraft Center | pui2canvas parser (devel-list follow-u

the question has been posed, I think it is a fair question. What is stopping anyone from finishing the CUI? No competition, PUI is done, so move forward already.
I'm all for discussion, but has it really got us anywhere besides circular arguments and unsubstantiated statements thus far?
by jaxsin
Thu Jun 16, 2016 10:01 pm
 
Forum: Canvas
Topic: Aircraft Center | pui2canvas parser (devel-list follow-up)
Replies: 32
Views: 10770

Re: Aircraft Center | pui2canvas parser (devel-list follow-u

... in the last 5+ years. And that is not even taking into account procedurally generated/dialogs going through the PUI/XML related fgcommand APIs. pui2canvas can support all of these, and more, without requiring major C++ work, and without requiring tons of expertise. The pui2canvas approach is ...
by Hooray
Thu Jun 16, 2016 6:55 pm
 
Forum: Canvas
Topic: Aircraft Center | pui2canvas parser (devel-list follow-up)
Replies: 32
Views: 10770

Re: Aircraft Center | pui2canvas parser (devel-list follow-u

@Hooray, then I challenge you to strip out PUI from the compilation and provide a full CUI interface that provides 100% of the functionality of the current PUI! I say it's a mammoth task, so I'm hoping you can prove me wrong ;) @Thorsten - one of the ideas of using Qt5 is to provide dialogs that the...
by bugman
Thu Jun 16, 2016 6:30 pm
 
Forum: Canvas
Topic: Aircraft Center | pui2canvas parser (devel-list follow-up)
Replies: 32
Views: 10770

Re: Aircraft Center | pui2canvas parser (devel-list follow-u

And this will involve the removal of most of the XML for the menu system (hence why Torsten was talking about QML). I guess that's news to James then... That is roughly correct, but I always imagined I’d write some code to host an XML dialog (Currently done with PUI) from Qt also. The question is i...
by Thorsten
Thu Jun 16, 2016 6:09 pm
 
Forum: Canvas
Topic: Aircraft Center | pui2canvas parser (devel-list follow-up)
Replies: 32
Views: 10770

Re: Aircraft Center | pui2canvas parser (devel-list follow-u

You previously mentioned all your UI and multi-threading experience, and I told you more than once that many of your points are not applicable when it comes to PUI and the way it is integrated/used in FlightGear. You are mixing up too many concepts here - there is a dedicated Canvas GUI system, and ...
by Hooray
Thu Jun 16, 2016 5:01 pm
 
Forum: Canvas
Topic: Aircraft Center | pui2canvas parser (devel-list follow-up)
Replies: 32
Views: 10770

Re: Aircraft Center | pui2canvas parser (devel-list follow-u

Let's create the following context: ⋅  Strip out the abandoned PLIB GUI (PUI) completely from the current FG code base. ⋅  Try to interact with FG without the menus. ⋅  Try to change some of the settings. Obviously neither the Qt GUI (QUI) nor the Canvas UI (CUI) are cu...
by bugman
Thu Jun 16, 2016 4:25 pm
 
Forum: Canvas
Topic: Aircraft Center | pui2canvas parser (devel-list follow-up)
Replies: 32
Views: 10770

Re: Aircraft Center | pui2canvas parser (devel-list follow-u

Sorry bugman, you don't make much/any sense - and I have really tried to interpret your postings in more than one way, regardless of your position (which is clearly pro-Qt5) - I don't seem to be able to determine what you are trying to tell us, apart from the obvious misrepresentation of facts that ...
by Hooray
Wed Jun 15, 2016 10:22 pm
 
Forum: Canvas
Topic: Aircraft Center | pui2canvas parser (devel-list follow-up)
Replies: 32
Views: 10770

Re: Aircraft Center | pui2canvas parser (devel-list follow-u

Therefore the transition is PUI -> QUI, not PUI to CUI (otherwise CUI competes with QUI). Competes for what? Developer resources? Aka, the people who typically code Nasal are the same people who use Qt5? That'd be news to me. Users? Maybe, but since when has that been an issue? System resources? Si...
by Thorsten
Wed Jun 15, 2016 11:14 am
 
Forum: Canvas
Topic: Aircraft Center | pui2canvas parser (devel-list follow-up)
Replies: 32
Views: 10770

Re: Aircraft Center | pui2canvas parser (devel-list follow-u

I've introduced the acronyms when first mentioned. And I'm using them as there are so many user interface (UI) technologies being talked about that it is quicker to simply abbreviate: GUI - graphical user interface. PUI - the PLIB GUI or Picoscopic User Interface Library. QUI - the Qt5 GUI currently...
by bugman
Tue Jun 14, 2016 10:34 pm
 
Forum: Canvas
Topic: Aircraft Center | pui2canvas parser (devel-list follow-up)
Replies: 32
Views: 10770
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