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Re: Big Black Box

Postby toshi » Fri Jan 02, 2009 2:13 am

Hi

1.9.0 base package is included in fgsetup-1.9.0.exe and automatically installed.
So you don't need download base package separately.

Some critical issues in FlightGear 1.9.0 depend on hardware and video driver.
So, I think our report is very important to solve the problems and contribute to our community.
Especially about 'scenery loading takes 2 minutes' issue, report and feedback with enough information (your OS, hardware, video driver, startup options, whole console messages etc.) would be helpful for the developers.

Here I describe how to install fgrun+fgfs-osg-win32-20090101 for windows users.

(1) Update your video driver

o Desktop PC
-- Nvidia: http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx (Select your language)
-- AMD (formerly, ATI): http://ati.amd.com/support/driver.html
-- Intel: http://support.intel.com/support/graphics/

o Mobile PC
-- Find from your PC manufacturer (Toshiba, Sony, Dell etc.) web page

(2) Download FlightGear installer and install it: fgsetup-1.9.0.exe
http://www.flightgear.org/Downloads/bin ... ml#windows

(3) Download CVS snapshot binary: fgrun+fgfs-osg-win32-20090101.zip
ftp://ftp.uni-duisburg.de/FlightGear/Win32/
-- Extract zip file, change folder name to Win32, and simply replace your FlightGear/bin/Win32 folder.

(4) Test on your machine and feedback to forum!

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If you are reading this post afterwards (over one month or later?):
As Anders suggested, please notice that CVS snapshot normally requires huge amount of data directory (over 1GB), which will take a lot of time to fetch from CVS server over a few hours or a few days.
Check the wiki document: Keeping FlightGear (win32) up to date without compiling.
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Re: Big Black Box

Postby BrianVanSpeybroeck » Fri Jan 02, 2009 3:58 pm

Thanks for your clear and immediate replys. :D

I'll wait for an official release with the fixes and patches included in the base install. :wink:
Done!
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Re: Big Black Box

Postby Stefan » Sun Jan 04, 2009 12:00 am

Hi toshi,

yeah, thats it, - now the black box has gone! Thanks.

Have a nice new year
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Re: Big Black Box

Postby Gijs » Sun Jan 04, 2009 12:51 pm

AK-Emm wrote:I wish that i could locate where screen shots are stored in the flightgear directory to show you what i mean

Oh gosh, will people ever learn to read back their posted questions.... :cry:

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Re: Big Black Box

Postby santosdumont » Sun Jan 04, 2009 5:38 pm

Also tried Toshi's suggestion & got rid of black box, but long load time (loading scenery objects) still a problem.
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Re: Big Black Box

Postby AK-Emm » Wed Jan 07, 2009 12:03 pm

Gijs wrote:
AK-Emm wrote:I wish that i could locate where screen shots are stored in the flightgear directory to show you what i mean

Oh gosh, will people ever learn to read back their posted questions.... :cry:

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sorry lol wasn't online for a while

had a geography field work course assignment was busy for a while :o

thanks for the solution to the black box it got rid of it however there is a little problem :)


you may know that
some aircrafts don't render well in the cockpit view such as the Cessnas Citations, Skyhawk (all) Boeing 747 , C130 Hercules and some others
but hey it better than to have the black box

so ill wait a while till theres another hotfix for this little problem


........................... thanks lol.......................................
Ladies and Gentlemen, this is your Captain speaking at Flight level 350 it seems we are experiencing engine failure we're Out to fix the problem we'll be back in a moment.................... :?:



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Re: Big Black Box

Postby Fahim Dalvi » Wed Jan 07, 2009 12:36 pm

Before someone else starts shouting, Pls post a screenshot, so we may understand your problem better!
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Re: Big Black Box

Postby Jester » Wed Jan 07, 2009 3:57 pm

I guess that's the near-field problem, use --prop:/sim/rendering/camera-group/znear=0.1
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Re: Big Black Box

Postby AK-Emm » Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:20 pm

Fahim Dalvi wrote:Before someone else starts shouting, Pls post a screenshot, so we may understand your problem better!
Ladies and Gentlemen, this is your Captain speaking at Flight level 350 it seems we are experiencing engine failure we're Out to fix the problem we'll be back in a moment.................... :?:



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Re: Big Black Box

Postby AK-Emm » Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:24 pm

here are some more pictures captured

the Dos box displays the error message
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Re: Big Black Box

Postby MD-Terp » Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:05 pm

Jester already posted the solution. It works for me as well.
Cheers,
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Re: Big Black Box

Postby AK-Emm » Thu Jan 08, 2009 10:15 am

MD-Terp wrote:Jester already posted the solution. It works for me as well.


does this applies to FG 1.9
and how could the solution be applied :)
as in step by step proceures
where to alter the codings ....


thnaks again
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Re: Big Black Box

Postby MD-Terp » Thu Jan 08, 2009 10:13 pm

Jester wrote:--prop:/sim/rendering/camera-group/znear=0.1

If you start fgfs.exe via command lone, add the above to your starting parameters.

If you start it with the Launcher Wizard, hit "Prev" from the aircraft screen and add it to the end of the line that says "Executable" (the top text box).

Or, after starting FG, hit "/", select "sim", select "rendering", select "camera-group", select "znear", type 0.1 in the orange box, and hit "Set". (This will have to be done every time... the above will be a more "permanent" fix.)
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Re: Big Black Box

Postby Jester » Thu Jan 08, 2009 10:15 pm

You can also add properties in the wizard on the advanced menu somewhere.
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Re: Big Black Box

Postby fredb » Thu Jan 08, 2009 11:19 pm

MD-Terp wrote:If you start it with the Launcher Wizard, hit "Prev" from the aircraft screen and add it to the end of the line that says "Executable" (the top text box).

What's that ? The preferred method to set props in fgrun is to use the Advanced panel, in the properties section
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